mWalk
Jan 13 2007, 04:20 AM
Modesty Blaise
Jan 13 2007, 05:38 AM
They could just as well be making another game.
I really don't see how this can become as good as the original under that engine.
From my perspective there are no advantages with the WC3 engine in multiplayer(which is where Starcraft really shine).
EVula
Jan 13 2007, 11:04 AM
Looks neat, but I agree that the voice acting sucks.
mrxak
Jan 13 2007, 01:29 PM
Personally, I find the engine of WC3 far superior to that of Starcraft, at least from a custom map point of view.
Modesty Blaise
Jan 13 2007, 01:59 PM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 13 2007, 07:29 PM)

Personally, I find the engine of WC3 far superior to that of Starcraft, at least from a custom map point of view.
Well, I can only agree with that.
Though I never play custom maps, outside of those that are official releases and tournament maps.
The Apple Cøre
Jan 13 2007, 03:39 PM
This could be interesting...
CJM2
Jan 13 2007, 06:18 PM
... When exactly is it going to be released? :-/
And yes, they need a new script writer
Warlord Mike
Jan 13 2007, 07:48 PM
I didn't watch the whole thing to the end (only about halfway-ish), but yeah. Voice acting needs some improvement.
Otherwise, I haven't seen anything this good in...forever.
Dangit, I wish Blizzard would get on the ball and work on SC2.
The Apple Cøre
Jan 14 2007, 01:22 AM
I wish we could get our hands on what they have of appropriately named Ghost...
Warlord Mike
Jan 14 2007, 11:11 AM
Which they cancelled, by the way.
3dd13
Jan 14 2007, 01:20 PM
really? I thought it just was ultra-delayed.
Centorian
Jan 14 2007, 01:43 PM
*waves*
Yeah I work for Project Revolution. I tried to tell them the voice acting was pretty bad, but the sound guy was pissy....and hes the only one who can actually do the effects so....yeah....we could actually use a few good people to model and skin for the Zerg especially and animators are always good. Terran is just about done and I got to say its a lot of fun to play.
-Cent
grunadulater
Jan 14 2007, 02:32 PM
So when does that mean it'll be done?
prophile
Jan 14 2007, 06:06 PM
OLD NEWS.
ahem
EVula
Jan 15 2007, 12:09 AM
QUOTE(3dd13 @ Jan 14 2007, 12:20 PM)

really? I thought it just was ultra-delayed.
It has been "indefinitely postponed."
Link.
Centorian
Jan 15 2007, 03:07 AM
Evula thats a link to Starcraft Ghost.......
Ghost was and official Blizzard 'sequal' to Starcraft that was "indefnitely postponed"
Project Revolution is unrelated to blizzard (except being that is it s a WC3 mod about SC) that converts WC3 into Starcraft.
No, I don't know when it will be done....yes there will probably be a terran demo in the near* future.
-Cent
*Only near if the current rate of work being done continues, there has been a touch of lag as the semeseter starts up again but I think things are gonna pick back up soon.
Veritus Dartarion
Jan 15 2007, 03:55 AM
QUOTE(Centorian @ Jan 15 2007, 12:07 AM)

Evula thats a link to Starcraft Ghost.......
Ghost was and official Blizzard 'sequal' to Starcraft that was "indefnitely postponed"
Project Revolution is unrelated to blizzard (except being that is it s a WC3 mod about SC) that converts WC3 into Starcraft.
No, I don't know when it will be done....yes there will probably be a terran demo in the near* future.
-Cent
*Only near if the current rate of work being done continues, there has been a touch of lag as the semeseter starts up again but I think things are gonna pick back up soon.
They had been talking about Ghost, actually.
Anyway, you work on Project Revolution. That's quite cool; I've been following it for some time. I'm really glad to see that you guys are still going, if slowly.
Centorian
Jan 15 2007, 01:32 PM
doh! my bad I read over a post and it threw the conversation off

-Cent
mrxak
Jan 15 2007, 03:10 PM
You know, Blizzard used to be synonymous with excellent RTS. Now they're known as that addicting and noob-friendly MMO company and canceled FPS. They need to go back to their glory days. They should've made World of Diablo instead of World of Warcraft, and then they should've kept pumping out the RTS titles.
Eji1700
Jan 15 2007, 03:18 PM
Didn't blizzard send these guys a cease and desist letter?
Zacha Pedro
Jan 15 2007, 04:10 PM
Well, for obvious reasons I can't really comment on the voice acting, however let me tell you (as a future electronics engineer, who knows about communicaion and signal) that the radio comm noise isn't really realistic: it's just noise added to a perfectly recorded, crystal clear voice, you can hear that; in an actual such low-quality radio transmission, the voice is more degraded in different ways (saturation, non-linear effects, etc...).
Also, the scripting of this "semi-cutscene" (I suppose it's the same thing as these War3 "cutscenes" which are actually scripted movements of in-game stuff) could indeed be improved. But technically, it's very impressive.
EVula
Jan 15 2007, 11:50 PM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 15 2007, 02:10 PM)

They should've made World of Diablo instead of World of Warcraft, and then they should've kept pumping out the RTS titles.
###### yes.
###### YES.
Veritus Dartarion
Jan 16 2007, 02:01 AM
With Burning Crusade out (as of today), I feel this strange sensation in the air that I can only think is a forthcoming announcement of Starcraft II. Of course, that could just be the feverish wishing getting to me again, but I think it is more likely now than it has been for a very long time.
Warlord Mike
Jan 16 2007, 11:17 AM
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 15 2007, 11:01 PM)

With Burning Crusade out (as of today), I feel this strange sensation in the air that I can only think is a forthcoming announcement of Starcraft II. Of course, that could just be the feverish wishing getting to me again, but I think it is more likely now than it has been for a very long time.
My vote's that they're going to be working on yet
another expansion for WoW. According to a friend of mine, I had heard that they'd be coming out w/ a new expansion for WoW every year.
Stupid, no?
If this is the case, they'd better make the next expansion head for Northrend. It'd be interesting to settle some "Unfinished Business" with Lich King Arthas Menethil...
mrxak
Jan 16 2007, 12:30 PM
Yup, Northrend is expected to be announced rather soon I bet. Really a shame.
After that I half expect an expansion taking place underwater, or at least at the islands in the area of the maelstrom where the Naga hang out. Eh, maybe they'll make up another continent called Southrend where the Pandaren live, but by then Warcraft will have completely ceased to exist.
EVula
Jan 16 2007, 04:11 PM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 16 2007, 11:30 AM)

Yup, Northrend is expected to be announced rather soon I bet. Really a shame.
After that I half expect an expansion taking place underwater, or at least at the islands in the area of the maelstrom where the Naga hang out. Eh, maybe they'll make up another continent called Southrend where the Pandaren live, but by then Warcraft will have completely ceased to exist.
They need to stop dicking around and just make World of Blizzard; just a massive combination of all the franchises. Who wouldn't want to go questing with Assassins, Warlocks, and Firebats against Baal and his horde of hydralisks?
3dd13
Jan 16 2007, 06:22 PM
I a blizzard exec hinted at a future starcraft. Here's the link.
Here we go.Someday I have to start playing StarCraft. That, and Marathon.
The Apple Cøre
Jan 16 2007, 06:43 PM
Blizzard has a
Carbon installer for Starcraft, provided you have one of those systems that won't boot 9.
Veritus Dartarion
Jan 16 2007, 07:28 PM
QUOTE(The Apple Cøre @ Jan 16 2007, 03:43 PM)

Blizzard has a
Carbon installer for Starcraft, provided you have one of those systems that won't boot 9.
...and as I understand, Starcraft carbon works just fine with rosetta, so if nothing else we'll be able to enjoy that masterpiece for awhile yet.
QUOTE
They need to stop dicking around and just make World of Blizzard; just a massive combination of all the franchises. Who wouldn't want to go questing with Assassins, Warlocks, and Firebats against Baal and his horde of hydralisks?
Eji1700
Jan 16 2007, 09:35 PM
QUOTE(EVula @ Jan 16 2007, 01:11 PM)

They need to stop dicking around and just make World of Blizzard; just a massive combination of all the franchises. Who wouldn't want to go questing with Assassins, Warlocks, and Firebats against Baal and his horde of hydralisks?
The guy playing the observer
mrxak
Jan 17 2007, 12:13 AM
QUOTE(3dd13 @ Jan 16 2007, 06:22 PM)

I a blizzard exec hinted at a future starcraft. Here's the link.
Here we go.I call bullshit. They've forgotten all about the other franchises and spend all their free time rolling in huge piles of cash. They're a company owned by a larger even more faceless corporation. All they care about is profit. The only way we'll ever see another RTS out of Blizzard is if everyone stops playing WoW. I think all the WoW players need to sit down and think about it. Do they want to play WoW for the rest of their lives or do they want Starcraft, another Warcraft RTS, expansion packs for both, and more sequels down the road?
Warlord Mike
Jan 17 2007, 12:36 AM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 16 2007, 09:13 PM)

I call bullshit. They've forgotten all about the other franchises and spend all their free time rolling in huge piles of cash. They're a company owned by a larger even more faceless corporation. All they care about is profit. The only way we'll ever see another RTS out of Blizzard is if everyone stops playing WoW. I think all the WoW players need to sit down and think about it. Do they want to play WoW for the rest of their lives or do they want Starcraft, another Warcraft RTS, expansion packs for both, and more sequels down the road?
I'd opt for the second choice, personally. No monthly fees, and you get more mileage!
Eji1700
Jan 17 2007, 01:18 AM
Although I am pissed that Ghost basically got shafted while WoW got all of the attention, I do think that eventually they're going to have to make another game. Burning crusade is out and WoW is slowly dying. EVERYONE has been waiting for starcraft 2 ever since the cliffhanger and secert mission in brood war. WoW did well and goody for them. I don't really blame them for making an expansion since just about every company on the planet would. Now if they make a World of "anything else" i'll be pissed. Starcraft 2 has been a imaginary game for long enough. It's about damn time they made it.
Veritus Dartarion
Jan 17 2007, 02:05 AM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 16 2007, 09:13 PM)

I call bullshit. They've forgotten all about the other franchises and spend all their free time rolling in huge piles of cash. They're a company owned by a larger even more faceless corporation. All they care about is profit. The only way we'll ever see another RTS out of Blizzard is if everyone stops playing WoW. I think all the WoW players need to sit down and think about it. Do they want to play WoW for the rest of their lives or do they want Starcraft, another Warcraft RTS, expansion packs for both, and more sequels down the road?
I always know I can count on mrxak to provide the cynical viewpoint.
wolfman_rec
Jan 17 2007, 02:27 PM
QUOTE(CJM2 @ Jan 13 2007, 04:18 PM)

And yes, they need a new script writer

Uh... yeah definitely.
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 15 2007, 01:10 PM)

You know, Blizzard used to be synonymous with excellent RTS. Now they're known as that addicting and noob-friendly MMO company and canceled FPS. They need to go back to their glory days. They should've made World of Diablo instead of World of Warcraft, and then they should've kept pumping out the RTS titles.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AWESOME!! They could've made it so you can upload your current D2 characters to WoD... that would've been great...
EVula
Jan 17 2007, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(Eji1700 @ Jan 17 2007, 12:18 AM)

I don't really blame them for making an expansion since just about every company on the planet would.
Not only that, but Blizzard has made expansions for all of their other games:
* WarCraft II -> Beyond the Dark Portal (plus the Battle.net Edition)
* Diablo II -> Lord of Destruction
* StarCraft -> Brood War
* Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos -> The Frozen Throne
I'm not really telling you specifically, I'm just throwing that out there. I think their games get much, much better with the expansions (at least for Diablo II; I know some people prefer straight SC instead, and I don't know about WC 2 and 3).
mrxak
Jan 17 2007, 03:12 PM
QUOTE(Eji1700 @ Jan 17 2007, 01:18 AM)

Although I am pissed that Ghost basically got shafted while WoW got all of the attention, I do think that eventually they're going to have to make another game. Burning crusade is out and WoW is slowly dying. EVERYONE has been waiting for starcraft 2 ever since the cliffhanger and secert mission in brood war. WoW did well and goody for them. I don't really blame them for making an expansion since just about every company on the planet would. Now if they make a World of "anything else" i'll be pissed. Starcraft 2 has been a imaginary game for long enough. It's about damn time they made it.
Now that Burning Crusade will come out, they will start on another expansion and various patches. The thing about MMOs is that new content is added all the time.
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 17 2007, 02:05 AM)

I always know I can count on mrxak to provide the cynical viewpoint.

Cynicism comes from experience. Those who roll in money only care about bigger piles. You really think another Starcraft would net them as much money as another WoW expansion? I suppose only time will tell, and considering 50% of the people I know in real life who played WoW quit in the last 3 months, there may be room for hope. But, don't underestimate the power of piles of cash.
QUOTE(EVula @ Jan 17 2007, 02:31 PM)

Not only that, but Blizzard has made expansions for all of their other games:
* WarCraft II -> Beyond the Dark Portal (plus the Battle.net Edition)
* Diablo II -> Lord of Destruction
* StarCraft -> Brood War
* Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos -> The Frozen Throne
I'm not really telling you specifically, I'm just throwing that out there. I think their games get much, much better with the expansions (at least for Diablo II; I know some people prefer straight SC instead, and I don't know about WC 2 and 3).
I certainly liked Brood War and TFT better. Beyond the Dark Portal I could've done without, but what they really added was B.Net support, which was very nice.
Anyway, the standard operating procedure for MMOs is more expansion packs, all the time.
Warlord Mike
Jan 17 2007, 03:51 PM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 17 2007, 12:12 PM)

Anyway, the standard operating procedure for MMOs is more expansion packs, all the time.
Case in Point: EverQuest. Which, by the way, I saw no interest at all in. I've lost count how many there's been for the original (I think the second one has maybe one, if even that).
Veritus Dartarion
Jan 17 2007, 07:16 PM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 17 2007, 12:12 PM)

Cynicism comes from experience. Those who roll in money only care about bigger piles. You really think another Starcraft would net them as much money as another WoW expansion? I suppose only time will tell, and considering 50% of the people I know in real life who played WoW quit in the last 3 months, there may be room for hope. But, don't underestimate the power of piles of cash.
Well, there is the whole f###ing nation of South Korea to consider.

QUOTE(EVula @ Jan 17 2007, 11:31 AM)

Not only that, but Blizzard has made expansions for all of their other games:
* WarCraft II -> Beyond the Dark Portal (plus the Battle.net Edition)
* Diablo II -> Lord of Destruction
* StarCraft -> Brood War
* Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos -> The Frozen Throne
I'm not really telling you specifically, I'm just throwing that out there. I think their games get much, much better with the expansions (at least for Diablo II; I know some people prefer straight SC instead, and I don't know about WC 2 and 3).
Brood War is great. I actually was a bit let down by Lord of Distruction (and iirc it got rather lukewarm reviews too); it seemed...anticlimatic after original D2's great ending. And I was never into assassin or druid.
I think there might've been a lower-key expansion for original diablo too...
M0ng00se_ona_Guitar
Jan 17 2007, 08:26 PM
6 of my friends were addicted to world of warcraft. I personally thought it was cool the first two times I saw them play it, but then it slowly became more and more of a burden. So far three have quit because they decided that having a life was cooler than not, and the otehr three are getting closer. Before world of warcraft came out, me and my friends would totally kill on battle.net, we even started ganging up on others if we "happened" to be in the same custom game together. *wink*
But seriously, if world of warcraft had never come out and blizzard had made warcraft four, or starcraft 2, that would have been awesome! I think that starcraft ghost would be amazing. Its like playing halo, but choosing what type of guy you have, that would be incredibly awesome. the fantasies just keep on going!
BLIZZARD! HERE OUR CRIES! KILL WORLD OF WARCRAFT AND MAKE STARCRAFT2/STARCRAFT GHOST/ WARCRAFT 4/ DIABLO 3!!!
There. I'm done
Fnoigy
Jan 17 2007, 09:39 PM
OH GOD!! THE TYPOS!!
I also would like to see the next StarCraft in my lifetime. One thing I'd like about just playing Starcraft Revolutions once or twice is getting a better look at some units, which were very hard to get a clear image and idea of in the original StarCraft, bless its ancient graphics.
Personally, I've never been a fan of the "dwarfs in loincloths" theme, as I've heard it called, of WoW, and will never grace Blizzard with my money for such a game. However, I, as well as a number of friends of mine, would most certainly pay for a new StarCraft game. Though I'm not sure about the WoW players out there. With luck, some of the trucks of money going to Blizzard will stop, and they might try and make our long-awaited sequel.
May this rendition of a zergling be an acceptible offering to the game gods, so that they bestow us with a new StarCraft, with graphics good enough that I can actually see a zergling good enough to figure out what it really looks like up close.
EVula
Jan 17 2007, 11:51 PM
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 17 2007, 06:16 PM)

Brood War is great. I actually was a bit let down by Lord of Distruction (and iirc it got rather lukewarm reviews too); it seemed...anticlimatic after original D2's great ending. And I was never into assassin or druid.
LoD, aside from the two new character classes, also introduced a slew of new items, new sets (and altered the set synergy system), and added synergies to skills. All in all, I consider it better if only from a "more of the same" sense. Plus, it let you run the game in 800x600, which is so much better than the old screen size (640x480, I believe).
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 17 2007, 06:16 PM)

I think there might've been a lower-key expansion for original diablo too...
There was
Hellfire, though it wasn't produced by Blizzard.
mrxak
Jan 18 2007, 01:36 AM
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 17 2007, 07:16 PM)

Well, there is the whole f###ing nation of South Korea to consider.

The whole f###ing nation of South Korea is sadly not big enough to counteract the monthly fees they're collecting currently. I mean, heck, all the gold farmers are from China, and those people have to keep buying copies of the game every time they get banned. I haven't seen too many useful numbers, but Blizzard is making more money now than they ever did with probably everything else combined.
But, we can only hope enough people quit the game to make Blizzard think twice about their current situation.
Veritus Dartarion
Jan 18 2007, 02:28 AM
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 17 2007, 10:36 PM)

The whole f###ing nation of South Korea is sadly not big enough to counteract the monthly fees they're collecting currently. I mean, heck, all the gold farmers are from China, and those people have to keep buying copies of the game every time they get banned. I haven't seen too many useful numbers, but Blizzard is making more money now than they ever did with probably everything else combined.
But, we can only hope enough people quit the game to make Blizzard think twice about their current situation.
QUOTE
Not only has WoW single handedly recovered parent company Vivendi Universal Games, but it became the largest grossing media product of any type in 2006, with revenues of over $1bn, The Indepedent has reported.
source
EVula
Jan 18 2007, 01:24 PM
...holy shit.
Spoony
Jan 18 2007, 01:55 PM
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 17 2007, 11:28 PM)

Not only has WoW single handedly recovered parent company Vivendi Universal Games, but it became the largest grossing media product of any type in 2006, with revenues of over $1bn, The Indepedent has reported.
It hurts to see a company owning Blizzard. I wish they'd strike it out on their own... They're a very talented crew, they could do grand things without the moneylust following them.
wolfman_rec
Jan 18 2007, 02:16 PM
QUOTE(Fnoigy @ Jan 17 2007, 07:39 PM)

OH GOD!! THE TYPOS!!
That's what I was going to say. Ah well. I suppose it figures I'd pull a microsoft once in a while...
or all the time...
QUOTE(Evil_Spoonman @ Jan 18 2007, 11:55 AM)

It hurts to see a company owning Blizzard. I wish they'd strike it out on their own... They're a very talented crew, they could do grand things without the moneylust following them.
Indeed they are, and if they'd just pump out more (quality) games then they'd have a broader range of consumers which would net them more money in the long run. I heard a rumor that Blizzard wanted a blockbuster (WoW) so they could dominate the industry so they could back off a little and really develop their games, but I don't believe it. Blizzard has a great cash cow with WoW and they're not going to do anything to threaten themselves by making a drop dead awesome game. I see Blizzard as a dead company, to be honest. And they had such potential...
TwoADay
Jan 18 2007, 02:27 PM
QUOTE(Veritus Dartarion @ Jan 18 2007, 01:28 AM)

QUOTE
QUOTE
Not only has WoW single handedly recovered parent company Vivendi Universal Games, but it became the largest grossing media product of any type in 2006, with revenues of over $1bn, The Indepedent has reported.
source

Which means we can all expect their next product to be another expansion. Wait, they've already said that! Itzik Ben Bassat, Blizzard's VP of Business Development and International, has said that Jan 08 should be the time for the next expansion!
http://www.spong.com/feature/10109501QUOTE
Q: So we won't be seeing The Burning Crusade 'MKII' in January 2008?
IBB: I think that our current timeline is January 08, but you know, we're pretty notorious for not making our timelines…but, we're going to do everything we can to try and release it in January 08. But I'm sure none of the regular Blizzard fans would be in any way surprised if we said 'hey guys, we need a couple more months.'
Well, we may just have to fire up StarCraft for a few more months...or longer, since Blizzard's got to feed the monkey...
Zacha Pedro
Jan 18 2007, 05:26 PM
Frankly (besides the Hellfire thing), I don't think you have much to blame Sierra/VUG for, they have left Blizzard do its stuff as it saw fit, including releasing only a damn polished product even if that means releasing it quite late, there would be more than a studio owner that would have forced the studio to rush the game out instead. Blizzard makes damn good games, and as it happens many people love WoW so it makes them a pile of money (especially given you can hardly pirate a MMO, and there's the monthly fee on top of that). Just picture it... 8 million people paying their about 10$/€ every month... that's 1G$ alone (though don't be fooled, just keeping the game and the servers running does cost money). Of course, now they're making piles of cash there is indeed potential for decisions that would be influenced only by the desire to make more money. I hope they realise at Blizzard that it isn't going to work forever (and no, in the long run expansions and more lvl60 x40 instances won't be enough in the long run), and that they have new stuff in the pipeline. New great games that don't require you to pay every month.
War2: Beyond the Dark Portal only added a new campaign, and a few heroes and a new map style to go with it, that's all, in particular multiplayer was unchanged, so there is not enough real difference to have a favorite; BNet support was added much later in a whole new version.
BTW, with BC we're at last going to know what the heck exactly happened to the human expedition on Draenor (the one you command in War2x), you know the five heroes who have their modest statues in the Hall of Heroes... Let's hope they don't ###### up this story like they did with many things recently (WTF Draenei=Eredar?)
mrxak
Jan 18 2007, 06:57 PM
QUOTE(Zacha Pedro @ Jan 18 2007, 05:26 PM)

Let's hope they don't ###### up this story like they did with many things recently (WTF Draenei=Eredar?)
Recently? Undead on horde? What?
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