The plot can't keep up with Sonic.

Since nobody cares about plot in a Sonic game, the only issue were controls. Sometimes they were really great, othertimes a hassle.

Heh. And I thought that SA1 was great, hideous control issues aside, while SA2 had hideous level design issues which you can't fix by just learning what parts of the controls don't work. And SH was pretty decent.

Edit: HTML markup -> BB markup

Anyone seen today's update on Lucas' abilities? The text at the top seems to heavily imply that Ness isn't coming back.

That would be a shame...Ness was always one of my favorite characters, right behind Pichu. The lack of their inclusion, however, will of course in no way affect the fact that I really really want this game (and a Wii...but blah blah blah).

Also the fact that lucas's moves seem too similar to Ness's when they're talking about no more copycat's kinda means bye bye ness.

I always disliked Ness. One of our group played him regularly for a while, and I just found him highly annoying.

I'll be shedding no tears for his demise.

That site's English is hilariously awkward. Agreed about Ness though. He wasn't fun to play, and people who were good with him were just annoying.

The site's written by a native Japanese speaker. I actually rather like the "accent" - it's quirky, just like the game.

Ness would have been gone in SSBM if they'd had Lucas' game ready by the time SSBM was released. Frankly I never really liked Ness; weird handling and odd attack arcs made him a pain to play. Not that Lucas will necessarily be any easier, but at least he doesn't appear to depend on a yo-yo.

I find it endearing.

Umm...you do realize that ness as far as his entire movelist goes...is still there. Just no more yo yo and hat. Now its blond hair and a flip kick.

A few changes, PK Freeze instead of Flash (the latter was pretty useless, but fun to actually pull off), and a "rope snake".

By the way, does anyone else find Norfair to look like a really scary level?

I think it looks cool. And it lends credibility to all of those who have been screaming for ridley in the game which i feel could go either way.

I think Ridley will be an assist trophy or enviromental element (like Kraid). Maybe come swooping through Norfair spitting fire and swiping at the players.

You've got a point. I mean, Samus is the only one with the capability to defeat Ridley since Ridley comes from the world of the Metroid series. No one else you see carries a payload of missles and a genetic bio-suit. I would like to see Mecha-Ridley though. I would like Ridley as a character, but he's kinda big. I mean, Samus is pretty tall in SSBM, and Ridley is about 5 times taller than her.

What gives? It says Zero-Suit samus but yet I still see clothes on her.

What?

EDIT: That is the Zero-suit that you see. If you played Metroid Zero Mission you would know what they're talking about a little better. The Zero-suit is like a jump-suit that Samus wears while her Chozo power suit is not equiped. The only joyfull memory I got out of using the Zero-suit was that... uh I enjoyed nothing about it at all. Her defence sucked, her weapon was non-lethal since she said her self it was a weak backup pistol, you could barely get anywhere since you couldn't destroy any of the blocks, she didn't stand a chance against the simplest of enemies, yet it was a different playing experience that challenged even my expertice at that game. Also, I was complaining at the removal of Roy and Marth earlier, and I saw that they now have Ike. I no longer have any complaints since Roy and Marth are from the Japanese verison of Fire Emblem, and Ike comes from the American version and looks a lot cooler. I also like the new graphics on Link. Twilightish. I wasn't expecting the Gameboy style pokemon trainer to be in there. I wasn't expecting Snake either.

Matt was just complaining because she's not naked.

...gamist





Really, it's a valid complaint. There should be more truth in gaming. (although 'jump-suit samus' doesn't have the same ring to it)

... Gamist? What I thought he meant at first was the Power-suit that she had at first in Zero-misson instead of Prime version Varia suit or the Zero version Gravity suit, although that's purple. Can you explain? I don't get what you just said.

Like a racist but with games (I assume, don't quote me on that). Also Spectator mode has been announced which looks interesting.

How was I being a racist gamer? I think Fire Emblem is awesome and didn't want to see some of it's characters removed from Smash Bros. I should use Spectator mode. It seems to more I play these games lately, the more and more I suck. In other words my skill deteriorates rather than improves.

Is it just me, or are the Dojo updates starting to become a bit "meh".

Well, they did have to find two more months' worth of content to update on there, and they're probably saving the best stuff for the week before release.

*woosh*

Don't worry guys. No doubt sometime this year isword will pop his first boner and then all this stuff he has trouble understanding will be crystal clear.

Hah.

To say something slightly on topic, the update today is that penguin dude's final smash. It looks pretty weird and not that great.

Yeah, I want to see Snake's final smash. Or something on Zelda. There hasn't been but one update focused on Zelda.

The Mario Circuit stage looks like fun. I'm so glad it doesn't scroll like those #%^$@#& F-Zero stages in Melee.

I've wanted Ridley since I saw him in the SSBM opening cinematics. They made him Samus' height, which suggests that they're open to the possibility of a "small" Ridley as a fighter. He's my style.

I have a feeling that, if Ridley is in the game, we won't know until somebody unlocks him. Honestly, I'm going to cut myself from all discussion from SSBB, at least unlockable related, so not to spoil the "OMG!" factor when I unlock someone cool/been wanting to see.

On the balance side ever since E for all theres been a whole lot of discussion about whats been discovered.
off the top of my head all i can remember was:
bowers-buffed
Ike-new bowser
metaknight-quite good
Pit-ok
Fox-nerfed pretty hard

Either way this is all just guessing because with so many gameplay changes it'll be awhile before anyone knows how true any of this is. This is of course excluding further balancing on the dev end which is almost certain to happen.

Ike as the "new bowser", does that mean that, as of the E 4 All version, he wasn't very good?

And Fox getting nerfed really badly... ouch. He's been my best character since SSB, that'll be a shame if they made him really sucky.

Ike currently isn't very good. He seems to have the highest killing power of all of the playable characters, and the speed of a glacier.

As for fox in melee him and falco are currently the best two characters in the game so him getting beaten with a nerf stick isn't that surprising. He is however still playable, just not godly.

Opinions, opinions, opinions. I'm going to have to wait until I can buy this game to see for myself. I didn't find Fox or Falco very good at all. I'm rather one sided for the Smash Bros. games. Original-Link Melee-Roy Brawl- seems like either Link, Samus, or I dunno. I really doubt my observations will be any different though.

Not too much on opinions. It's pretty much a fact that two players of equal skill, one using pichu, and one using fox, the fox player will win. He can use the SFFL technique amazingly fast and wave dash well. His up b and left/right B help you recover amazingly well and get to the ledge for that invincible few frames. His gun is just nice damage. Finally its his reflector that makes him godly. ITs an instant startup meteor attack which while amazingly hard to use is flat out deadly at high levels.

I do understand that tiers, but I don't put a whole bunch of belief into them. They're based on 1v1, no items, tournament-accepted maps, however many stock they use in tournament matches. I tend to play 1v1 no items, but Smash isn't all about that. In SSB, I always did 1v1v1v1 all items minus hammer on very high, for example.

I'm just hoping that they don't nerf Fox to the point I can't be good with him anymore.

I always found tournament play to be rather silly. I recognize that there are people who enjoy it, but for me, Smash Bros. is all about the four-player melee with plenty of items and general craziness. Maybe it's not as effective a measure of skill, but it's a hell of a lot more fun.

I agree with everything said in this post.

I use Ice Climbers or Peach...nice to see they're both coming back. And nerfed Fox/Falco+no Marth? HAPPY TIMES.

It's a new game; SOME character(s) is going to come out as being "unbalanced" but...oh well. It'll still be loads of fun.

Personally i do both. 1v1 no item matches and 4 way freeforall death matches. But we never turn any items off. Either way all the extras and the combinations of modes means some serious fun when this comes out.

Finally..marth might still make it in. Ike would represent the newest fire Emblem while marth is kinda the equivilent of cloud to FF

Uh, that's been proven false. I was fighting a friend of mine, he had fox, I had Pichu, I won.

Scientific proof right here, folks.

I know, but i can dream...

<pendant>
If you state that "It is a fact that, in situation X, 100% of the time event Y will happen", and someone comes along and says "But I was in situation X and Y didn't happen!" then they've just disproven your statement. It only takes one counterexample for a generalization to be disproven.

This is, incidentally, why it's basically impossible to prove anything about the universe. We can say that "As far as we have observed, in situation X, Y alwayss occurs", but we haven't observed the entire universe; there might be some bizarre set of circumstances that would allow for Y in the absence of X.
</pedant>

Edit: fixing my angle brackets.

Mmmk...and the point of that was? Were you actually replying to what I said, or what G-Spark said?
The reason I so sarcastically said that was because all he said was "I beat my friend who was Fox while I was Pichu." He in turn was responding to Eji who said that it is "pretty much" (not 100% of the time, mind you) certain that with two players of equal skill, a Fox player will win while a Pichu player will not.
We have no idea if G-Spark and his friend are on equal skill levels. Perhaps his Fox-playing friend is much worse than he is. Perhaps he simply had never used Fox before while G-Spark uses Pichu every single game. A single instance with so little information given does not disprove a general trend which has (apparently, I don't keep up with this sort of thing so I have no idea) shown itself to be true in more than one case.

Not as uncommon as you might think - I had a friend who always played Jigglypuff, and didn't use the sleep move, to boot. He just liked how dang cute the little bugger was. We teased him some about how his stats page showed Jigglypuff as his most common character, and nothing for second-most-common and least-common.

Anyway, Rick, I just felt like being a pedant, so there.

Pichu is my favorite character from Melee. And no, that's not a lie. Neither was that. Or that. Or that.

But yeah, seriously, Pichu++

Jigglypuff is surprisingly a beast! The last few times I played I was trying to be much more aggressive aerially, and Jigglypuff is great for that. There's nothing like knocking a foe off the stage, pursuing them off the stage, hitting them three times to guarantee the KO, and getting back from out of the screen boundary without any effort. Plus Rollout rocks.

I prefer using Pikachu over Pichu. More damage and range.

My friends roommate is an evil human with Jiggly. He's much better than me and destroys me already with peach but his jigglypuff annoys me to no end. he uses pound, and nap as far as specials go but them most annoying move she has is one of her air attacks. She semi dodges with it before she attacks, and he can time it every damn time to dodge my slice with marth and then nail me in the head. Drives me insane.

We're on equal skill levels. Just trust me. I hate Pichu to say the least. Not as much range as Pikachu, but he's cuter. I'd rather use Roy. I can beat him with Roy too people. To say the least, neither of us have much skill with either of those characters I mentioned previously, so we were about even. I get pwned all the time with Pichu, and he's never used Fox all that much. It goes something like this:

My friend + Roy Vs. Me + Link = I get pwned to the max.
Friend + Fox Vs. Me + Roy = He gets pwned.
Friend + Samus Vs. Me + Link = I get pwned.
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Friend = Fox Vs. Me + anyone = He gets pwned. You get the picture. I get pwned if he doesn't have Fox, and when he does, I kick his butt.