Despite the olympic games thing I really was not expecting this.

I saw this on VG Cats...interesting, to say the least, though probably inevitable.

Yes, for those of us who remember the days of fights over whether Mario or Sonic were cooler... now we can finally find out.

Darn it, I wanted to post this topic! Dang classes...

Yay, my first double post!

What I want to know is does this mean that tails/knuckles/shadow/eggman etc... will be included as well?

I would say no, but so far they've revealed 22 fighters, while SSBM had 25. Of course, if they increase it for Brawl like they did for Melee, we'd be looking at 51 total...

I'd say that I wouldn't be surprised if this is all the characters there are, nor would I be surprised if there are a ton more. It's probably a safe bet to assume that there will be hidden characters, at least of a sort, but Nintendo* may go in an entirely different direction on the secrets, too.


*Nintendo here meaning whoever is actually developing the game, since I don't know and don't really care.

Tails I could tolerate. Possibly Knuckles too. But Shadow would probably just be a Sonic clone (Dr. Mario and Luigi anyone?).

I've always wanted to have a REAL Sonic Vs. Mario Fight...Now I Can!

...I hope.

Egroeg, are you SURE this isn't made up?

EDIT: Apparently, it's true.

I already wanted to get this game. Now I REALLY want to get it.

Tails would be awesome, but unlikely (yet the most likely of the remaining Sonic characters). I always liked Tails better than Sonic. I mean, he runs just as fast in the Genesis games AND he can fly. Though my experience with the series is limited, since I'm a bit of a newcomer (started about 8 months ago), having only played all but Sonic and Knuckles on the Genesis, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic and the Secret Rings.

I half wish they didn't reveal this though, but rather have him a hidden character. I mean, just think about it! Just playing normally and then you get the "Challenger Approaching!" message. Anticipation builds as you wonder who it is. Then match starts and then Sonic appears! I'd probably be too much like "OMG!" to fight effectively and get beaten. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but still, that'd be a great way to discover him in the game.

Speaking as someone who has kept up on every single bit of SSBB info he could find since the first trailer I would like to point out a few things:

1. Sonic being in has been pretty certain ever since snake. Apparently the head devloper is friends or something with the other respective developers. They were both supposedly going to be in Melee, but they asked to late in the process. Hence them being in Brawl. This is kinda why him being a secret doesn't make too much sense. If there are other 3rd party characters it would be huge to keep those secret (keeps fingers crossed for chrono)
2. They've said they won't be doing the same huge jump in characters as they did in melee and not everyone will return. Pichu, Ice climbers, Roy, and Game and watch were high on the not making it back list, but so far at least ice climbers has been proven wrong. They have mentioned having more characters, but not a doubled roster. Their more important focus has been balance, gameplay, and getting rid of all clone characters(ganondorf/captianfalcon) or giving them original moves.
3. Finally outside of Sonic and snake theres been very little in the idea of 3rd party characters. The main developer has stated there might be one or two more(back when only snake was revealed) so the chances are slim. This also means the chances of seeing Raiden, revolver ocelot, Liquid snake, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, or any other characters outside of assist trophies, moves, or alternate costumes is non existant.
4. IF anyone asks for cloud i will murder them.

I want Cloud in Brawl!

Yes because gamespy has more authority on this than the official website.

My understanding was that Konami begged Nintendo to get Snake into Melee, but it was too late in the development process to add another character. I heard no such thing about Sonic. There've been plenty of rumors that Sonic would be in Brawl (and, hell, a lot of rumors that he was a super-secret character in Melee), but this is the first remotely solid information I've heard about it.

Melee had, what, 25 characters? Prune out the following clones:
Luigi, Dr. Mario, Ganondorf, Falcon, Pichu, Marth, Young Link
and you have 18 potential returning characters (and frankly, I thing the odds for Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Roy (especially with Ike in Brawl), and a few others are pretty low) and room for 7 more without expanding the roster any. Currently we see 12 returning characters and 10 new ones. So there's a little room still left, especially since they'll probably be willing to have a few more characters in this game than in the previous. I know there's plenty of demand to have secondary characters from Sonic in the game; the question really is what other games Nintendo wants represented. I'd love to see a Belmont in, for example, or Megaman, while we're getting Konami characters.

Yeah, Sonic was an IGN April Fools joke for Melee. Snake was practically begged to be in melee.

As for Pichu, Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, and the others not returning have been popular speculation since the first slightest hint of the next SSB was smelled in the air. Personaly, based on what has been revealed thus far, the characters most likely not to return is Marth, Roy, and Ness, in my personal opinion. Esepcially Ness, since Lucas was supposed to replace him in Melee, but Mother 3 was delayed, so Ness was kept.

And one or two besides Snake, fortunately. So, based on that, I'd say there is a fair chance of another 3rd party character. Sonic was obvious because he was the most requested 3rd party character, though is yet a surprise because, based on the news that was released in the months prior, negotiations with Sega seemed like they weren't getting anywhere. But whoever the last 3rd party character is, if there is one, we know that they have to been on a Nintendo console AND originated a game. So characters like Kyle Katarn and Batman are not possible. And neither is Master Chief or Cloud.

Though it would be funny if, in the same mind-set that brought us Mr. Game & Watch, they used someone like the original Final Fantasy's Fighter, in all of his 8-bit glory.

The big speculation now is that the character roster is arranged alphabetically by the japanese names of the characters, and that there's currently a gap at 'R'. So here's hoping for Rockman*. And that's about all the third party stuff I really need, though of course the more the merrier. Nintendo still has some good untapped characters to use though. I played so much Kirby on my gameboy when I was a kid that I'd love to see Dedede, even if he was a Kirby clone.

* Japanese name for Megaman.

I need a Wii, if only for this and Mario Kart.

/16 player racing ftw!

Hate to say it, but if you look closely at the actual picture, that was the "random" button. It was also a demo character select screen. Check the Dojo!! for a bit more information. I wish I could go to E For All...

Megaman would be cool, especially if he had some sort of power-acquiring thing.

Wasn't this originally a launch title? Now it's in February!? Argh!

Eh. It'll be worth it.

<-has a preorder.

That looks pretty cool. I have always wanted to see a fight Sonic vs link, and Sonic vs Samus. This look really interesting.

I considered making a pre order with Amazon, who were quoting delivery of July 2007. I thought that bollocks so haven't bothered. Febuary is a good time though, there's going to be a huge influx of new Wii owners after Christmas, a friend of mine who works at a games shop says they're going to be even rarer than last year though, so it gives them enough time to tire of Wii sports, and be wanting something new.

Just saw this, and I lolled...

Glad I got mine on launch day. And I only have to wait fifteen minutes in line to get mine too.

For those who weren't paying attention i'd like to retract all statements i have previously made seeing as how someone i was pretty sure wouldn't make it is now confirmed.

Ladys and gentlemen the angry blue penguiny thingy King Deedee is in brawl. I seriously thought it was a joke at first.

WWWWWWWWWWWhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttt? And yet they might take out Roy and Marth? That's stupid.

They had to remove Marth, or make him very weak.

A heavyweight Kirby character. Interesting.

Well kirby additions aren't too surprising seeing as how if i recall correctly the creator of smash and kirby are one in the same.

And roy being removed makes a hell of a lot of since if you know anything about the fire emblem series. He wasn't liked, he was weak in his own game, the game he was on only hit shores in japan, and finally in high level he was inferior to marth. Since they are axing clones him going is high priority.

Marth going is a little less likely due to the following and the fact that he is the poster boy for the fire emblem series. A lot of people feel taking out marth and having other fire emblem characters would be like having peach and yoshi but no mario. Still he may not make it.

Either way we've already got IKE confirmed which is good news and he's quite a cool character in his own right.

Now then as unlikely as it is if biospark by some ungodly piece of luck made the character list i would die happy.

Deedee wasn't someone I expected (then again, I never played the Kirby series either). Based on the description of him and his special moves, he doesn't sound like someone I'm going to have much fun with. Not that I dislike heavy weights, Gannondorf was one of my more heavily used characters.

One bit of likely information that's popped up recently is that Krystal from Star Fox is a character. Personally, I'm still skeptical a great deal, even though she is one of thre characters I want in (the others being Diddy and, now that Sonic is in, Tails). Her voice actor, Alesia Glidewell, has Krystal listed under voices she's doing for Brawl on her website (along with Zero Suit Samus and Knuckle Joe). Someone on Wikipedia did something called a Whois on the site and found it's been up since '06, so it wasn't made merely for a hoax.

Given, nothing has been mentioned on the Dojo, so I'd still take it with a grain of salt. It could be anything. After all, Peppy and Slippy appeared in Melee for cutscenes and an easter egg, as well as trophies.

She will probably be in, but she could easily be an assist trophy, part of a move, a level, another item, or even part of the story since this game seems to have more of a story element to it than the previous two(aka Kill things).

Also deedee looks very fun for a heavy character which his peach like spam projectile, and a moving charge attack which will probably make it useful. Still can't be sure of anything till i play.

Also i really don't actually see a point in crystal being in if they keep falco. I'd actually rather have one of the other starfox cast since they've been around longer.

And of course i'm still praying for chrono and megaman.

Doubtful.

Maybe.

I'm hoping that there's someone no-one expected, like Tara Grimface (Lost Kingdoms II, anyone?), or maybe Wolf O'Donnell (sp?).

Also, I hope they bring Ganondorf back (he was my favorite on Melee; I like the heavy hitters), but give him his own moves (not a slower (but more powerful) Falcon Clone).

Gannondorf needs to be back, with a sword. Don't quote me on this, but I've heard in melee he was going to use a sword, but didn't since that Zelda demo they showed at E3 never became a game. Give him some moves he had in Twilight Princess, that fight at the end was quite satisfying.

I'm equally doubtful on Crono. He's 3rd party and hasn't been in more than one game (even Pit had two). Not to mention there's a bunch of sword users as it is: Link, Ike, Meta Knight, Pit, and possibly Marth, Roy, and Young Link if they don't get dropped. And then add assist trophies Samurai Goro and Lyn., and you got six confirmed sword fighters and potentially nine.

Megaman? Possibly, don't know enough about him or Capcom. I've only played Megaman X 1-3 on the SNES.

Wolf? If they add someone from Starfox, it'd be either him or Krystal, as both are really popular, more so than Slippy, Peppy, Falco, Pigma, Leon, and Panther. Though I've stumbled onto more Krystal fansites than for Wolf...probably because I had to browse them to find information on Dinosaur Planet before it became a Starfox game. On the other hand, Wolf had a cameo in Melee during the opening cinema and, arguably, flying the Wolfen on the Starfox levels.

Tara Grimface? Never played Lost Kingdoms, so I don't know who that is.

The music was, too. I keep envisioning it playing in one of the fights in one of the future Nova Bars.

Eh, Marth was wwwwwaaaaaayyyyyyyyy to fast for me to properly control. His up-c attack was kinda hard to aim as well. I liked Roy better, since I was able to control him really well, suprisingly, more than Link. I'm a Legend of Zelda nut. I used to own everything with link. Now I can't beat a dust bunny with him is Super smash bros.



First paragraph: Yes absolutely. Give him his Twilight sword, it's awesome. Yeah the battle is freakin' awesome, except for the fact that you can hold out the bobber on your fishing rod and he'll just stand there. Ever try fighting him with the Ordon sword? It's funny. I should try using the Finish move on him with it. I haven't had time.

Second paragraph: Huh? Yeah, I'm thinking drop young link.

Third paragraph: Krystal and who? Oh wait Wolf. I didn't read that first word.

Link plays as a long range power character in melee. You use your assorted projectiles too keep them away and nail them with your grounded up B when their damage gets up there.

Also just because marth was too fast for you too control doesn't mean he wasn't too slow for some nuts out there. Just search for smash videos on youtube and you'll see what i mean.

Double post but worth it for the bump. Best update yet. Stage Creator.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html

jackpot.

That is really awesome.

OMG


OGC


This is excellent news.

I wonder if this means that the next SSB after this one will have some kind of character creation?

Is Mario climbing a ladder in that one screenie?

I know I'm going to make a couple of evil stages. >:D

That's all THIS version needs, and there will be no point to attempt to make a more awesome game. It will have already done so.

It seems like the more this game gets bumped back on the release date, Nintendo just makes it that much more worth waiting.

By the way, got my newest edition of Nintendo Power today, which mentioned Brawl. Absolutely NO mention of Sonic or Dedede. What's up with that?!

They were just announced, and that magazine was probably sent to press before the announcement.

Stage creator looks awesome....

Gray Fox from MGS was just announced as an assist trophy. I think this increases the odds we'll see Tails as at least an assit trophy. That, and Gray Fox as an assist trophy is awesome. Though I bet my brother is going to be slightly dissapointed that he isn't playable.

Yeah. The assist trophy idea really was genius. It allows them to cram in so many more characters without having the issues that come with it.

Just so long as he isn't putzing around in a mech. I could definitely see a Tornado/Flicky attack, though.

I don't understand how Sonic continues to appear in video games years after Sega killed him, raped his corpse and pissed on his grave.

Yeah, if they have one fox, they might as well have another.


The DS ones are not too bad.
Not too bad.

When exactly do you see that happening? Personally i thought everything up to SAB2 was at least decent. Then sonic heros hit and shit went downhill.

Secret Rings is the future of 3D Sonic. Honestly, it's just so much better than the rest of Sega's other attempts for 3D. I think it has like a 76% on GameRankings.

Secret Rings was OK. The controls still could use some tweaking.
And the storyline was gawdawful. But then again it's Sonic, storyline's never really been the strongest suit.

When you're a blue, superfast hedgehog that needs golden rings for protection...ANY plot just gets in the way.