I play Halo 1 (demo) online pretty frequently, and I consider myself somewhat decent at it. I'm not great, but good enough that I definitely know how the weapons work, how far away the work from, how much damage they'll do, and when something just doesn't make sense. One of those things, a fairly common occurrence, is someone making a 3 shot kill with a pistol. Now, this would be normal, but I'm talking about a 3 shot kill (that would be 3 headshots) from ACROSS THE BOARD. There is a quite simple reason this doesn't work: no matter how good your aim is, the pistol is not accurate enough for 3 shots to hit anything like the same area from that long a distance. The spread of the shots, despite the relative accuracy of the pistol at short or mid range, puts most of the shots outside of the reticule when you're all the way across the board. The reticule, at that distance, encompasses an area many times the size of a player. No matter how good you are, pistols are NOT effective at that range.
I have heard of Aimbots before, applications that "assist" a player in putting their reticule where it needs to be. It's quite obvious when someone is making headshots but is otherwise, strategically, acting like a moron that they are using an Aimbot. How could they be so dumb but have such perfect aim? However, I don't think this is a mere mortal Aimbot I'm dealing with here. It seems to actually be eliminating or at least reducing the inaccuracy of the player's weapon, allowing them to make hits outside of the effective range of their gun. What hack/bot are they using, and how the hell can I stop them from using it?

If they are using an aimbot, there's not much you can do about it besides leave the game. Why some people feel the need to do that kind of thing, I don't know.

There's also a chance that they aren't aimbotting, they could just be really really good. I remember getting my ass handed to me over and over by our own Dy4 on many occasions.

Actually the pistol in Halo 1 is ridiculously good (at least in the Xbox version, maybe they turned it down on the computer?) so it is possible they are not cheating.

Oh, the pistol is really good, but I know a good player using the pistol when I see one-- I get my ass handed to me regularly by them. I myself have used the awesomeness of a pistol to make 25 kills with no deaths by essentially using it as a sniper rifle while camping in the cave above blue base, facing down toward the base. It's just kickass and can usually make kills with people about half way on top of blue base and closer, and the pistol respawn up there means unlimited ammo.

However, the one limitation of that camp point is that people on the other side of blue base, even if they just spawned and are stationary, can not be hit. For example, if someone gets into the farthest away 'hog, the one with the rocket turret (this is Blood Gulch I'm talking about), I can aim with their chest centered in the reticule perfectly, or their head... it doesn't make much of a difference because about 1/10 of the shots fired hit them anywhere. Either they notice and rocket me or someone else kills them before I can take them out from that range. I'd call the distance from the blue cave/cliff to the close edge of blue base the maximum range where a pistol can reliably do it's job. I've seen good players make nearly 100% headshots within that distance. However, I'm talking about 100% headshots from blue base to red base or visa versa.

Generally though, there's no way to stop them? A little annoying but that's life, I guess. Better that not being able to play the game. *shrugs*

1. You can get legal kills with the pistol from across the board.
2. However an aimbot can make this easier because the PC pistol is an amazing weapon.

Anyone ever play AAC from the board when he was still around? that was painful.

Halloween two years ago, I was at my friends house playing Halo 2. I'm pretty good at it with single player. However, throw me into a multiplayer deathmatch and you get total destruction, and not on my end. My friend killed my five times in less than a minute, and I never killed him. Not once. I had a dual weld magnums, and he had one. I had more health. We both were standign there shooting the crap out of each other, and I still lost.

Yes, all headshots make a Magnum quite a usable weapon. Still, the Halo 1 pistol makes it look like a joke.

I play Halo obsessively, and have never, ever, ever been shot by a pistol from across the map. From a good distance away? Have I met players who were either scarily good or using an aimbot? Yeah. It's fairly widely rumored that aimbots are used by some people in Halo, or at least that they can be obtained, but I have to say, I've never come across behavior that couldn't just have been someone who is supernaturally good, those people do exist. Either way, it was never something tha truined that game. Even on the most pistol intense maps, like Blood Gulch, there are tactics to be employed against pistol lovers.

That being said, I play CTF by and large. In a deathmatch game, if someone WERE cheating, it would be a lot more annoying. But again, I've never run into anything that made me think that is what had to be going on.

@Begot: Are you playing on Xbox Live or on PC/Mac?

What? The pistol is the second best long range weapon, aside from the sniper rifle.

Oh, I see that you realize that. But, let me put it this way. I can frag people from one base to another with a pistol, and I hate cheating. It's a great weapon.

I play Halo For The Mac, by the way.

From one base to another on blood gulch? Maybe you're just a lot better than I am, but my shots just don't go where the pistol is pointed from that distance, it's not even a question of how hard it may be to point the pistol accurately at that distance. Is there a way to compensate for that, because it seems unpredictable to me. Maybe if they just hooked to the left at long range, but it's random. How do you make a kill from that range?

Well, it's been a little while since I last played it, but I'll try to give you some advice. First, use the scope. You're right about just 'pointing' the gun at an enemy, you won't get any accuracy at long range. Use the scope. Second, they can't know you are there. Once they start evading you are going to have a hard time hitting them, unless they get confused about where they are being hit from. Last, this might seem kind of obvious. Shoot as fast as you can. It takes a while to get through the shields, so you just need to pummel them.

I hope this is useful, and not too obvious. It's what I do, and it seems to work.

I know the scope thing. I think some of my problem may be HOW I fire fast. Do you hold down the trigger, or click once for every shot? I've heard that clicking once for every shot increases accuracy and that holding it down makes the accuracy rapidly degrade. I always do that. Do you just hold down the trigger?

Clicking once per shot increases accuracy.

Also, the aimbot program is called HaloTAB.

I downloaded it, virus scanned it, and tried it out.

I used a new account besmirching zurdo's good name as to protect my own.

Lizard is right, click once per shot. Don't hold it down. You are good.

This results in a lot of frenzied clicking, though, so take your LMB in for a checkup before attempting this tactic

PC/Mac, rather obsessively. If you play a lot of CTF in the past two years, we're bound to have crossed paths.

Yah, holding down moues button ist der badness. Clicky clicky until carpal tunnel syndromey.

Incidentally, Lizard, thanks for the research. Now if you ever use that Aimbot again, I promise you you will burn in hell for all eternity, and I will personally make sacrifices to ensure that it's next to the clintons. Just thinking of all the little gits who have tried to get the flag from me using that method makes me twitch!

i dont know if this was already posted, since i didn't read the whole thing, but you can kick or ban them if you're the server host.
step 1: make a desktop shortcut.
step 2: right click the icon and go to properties.
step 3: in the text slot after "Target:" add to the last part this exactly, excluding quotation marks: " -console". thats space, dash, console.
step 4: when hosting a game, press the console control, which is the ~ and ` key below escape.
step 5: some pink text will appear at the bottom left part of the screen. type "sv_players". green text with all players names and stats will appear. they will have numbers before their names.
step 6: type "sv_kick *". * means the player's number. if you want to ban the player marked with a 2 before his name, type "sv_ban 2" for example. you use either kick or ban, depending on what you want to do. once again, its sv_kick(or ban), space, player number. you cant kick yourself. i just tried it.
step 7: if you choose to kick, step 7 is most likely having to kick again in a few seconds. if you choose to ban, step 7 is go back to playing.

WARNING: DO NOT KICK PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER THAN YOU. THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST RETARDED THINGS YOU CAN DO.

ps: as you can tell, i play Halo PC too. whats your halo name, i'll play you. (im just Sponge Tom)

I just had a most wonderful Ron Paul-related idea.

Does Ron Paul play Halo? Hmmm...maybe that's why a lot of teens support him. I hope not.

I've seen this. When you get killed three or four times in a row before you can move three steps, from across the map with a pistol, you know someone has an aimbot.

I've ran into several people like that in halo (mac/pc) they make everyone leave the server usually.

Thanks about that clicky clicky. I never knew ;_;

AAC was quite good indeed.



I dunno. I've certainly killed people from a good distance with three or four shots, and I didn't even know aimbots existed for Halo. If you have a high resolution on your monitor and a low-latency internet connection, the pistol is just insanely good at sniping people. Just lead a tiny bit, keep the center of the circle at head-level, and click your mouse for each shot. The bullet goes right to the center if you keep it semi-automatic. I've always been pretty good with shooters, if I have been playing for long enough to warm up. It just takes practice and skill, and before you know it you're pulling crazy killing sprees.

I still remember the first time I had to deal with an aimbot user. I think he was on my team. I could tell something was wrong when I saw tons of shots coming from him, all going different directions and killing people instantly. Then in the argument following, I first learned of aimbot. A few seconds later, the host banned him.

And anyone seen the Banned For Ownage video? I can't quite tell if Esco was using aimbot.

Even if people aren't using aimbots, if they're so much better that you can't even come close to competing with them, then it's not much fun to play against them. Sure, play players that are better than you - even if you lose, you'll get better. But when you keep dying before you can learn anything, you aren't accomplishing much.

Then, depending on the server, you can either ask them to leave (if everyone on the server isn't up to their level) or leave yourself (if you're generally massively outclassed).

That being said, it's been a while since I had any interest in playing FPS games online, since most of the players do massively outclass me; I don't have four hours a day to spend practicing.

Opps, double post.

If I'm dealing with a cheater, I'd make sure I go out of my way in the future to avoid him/her. If I'm dealing with someone five times better than I, and with Halo, that's more than possible, I'll practice until I improve my skill.

This is true. I was playing COD4 last night, and I wasn't sure if this one guy was cheating or not (I've seen some really obvious ones, and this wasn't it), but he was definitely doing way better than he should have been. I'm pretty good, most games I get a kill:death ratio of around 2:1, unless it's one of these nade-spam maps where you die usually from an explosion half a second after spawning. I'm also usually in the top quarter of scores as well. But this one guy was somehow getting twice as many kills as anybody else. He was dying a fair bit too, his ratio wasn't wildly out of proportion, and I certainly killed him at times... he wasn't headshotting everybody around him instantly or anything like that. But he was doing far better than anybody else in team deathmatch games. I saw him a few times up on top of things I didn't know was possible to get on, so he was possibly exploiting terrain, and some people claimed he was killing people through walls (quite doable, and encouraged in COD4, but the frequency of the complaints made me wonder if he was doing it without reasonable expectation for somebody to be there). Like I said, I don't know if he was really cheating or not, but either way, he was too good, and he was kicked off the server.

I would never kick someone for ownage, even if everyone wanted me to. If they don't want to play with pros, that's their problem. I would only kick if they were talking inappropriately or I was pretty sure they were cheating. From the looks of it, he might have been cheating, but I wouldn't kick him quite then. I'd make sure that those areas really couldn't be gotten to without cheats, and see if he really was killing through walls.

You can not play a game of Halo 1 online without people talking inappropriately. Just can't be done.

Oh, it's been done. And I've played in servers without any of that many times.

I hate family-friendly servers in M-rated games.

AMEN!

Oh yes the aimboters. Well I'm surprised no one here likes a good challenge. When ever I encounter a botter I useally get killed alot, get very frustrated, curese, then rear-end the bastard with a hog. I don't know if this sounds dumb but the way I play is: Play, Keep getting killed?, focus on killer, learn killers style, work around their style, killer dies. This usally leads to alot of people calling me a noob for useing strange tactics. Since useally these tactics result in my death but with the killers loss of postistion and therefor better playing for me. I'm quite good at Halo for mac and even though I really hate pistol snipers I have learned to play with them. Only instance I get frustrated with pistol snipers now is when I'm on a clan server and all of red team has a pistol out and spawn kill the hell out of blue team. *sigh* Still fun though and good to get your blood flowing in a well matched game. If your ever surfing around games, my user name is Two Jacks and I frequent team-play servers.

When you see a man flying out of a high speed wart hog with a rocket launcher in his hands pointed at your head, you'll know it's me.
-Jacks

Well to be fair most of the people playing the game are 11-15.

And then I know a 7 year old who plays Halo 2 with his dad. But that's a different subject.



They make it for mac?

and have for a few years

...and where would I get that? Haven't seen it anywhere...

I bought my version at the apple store for 50$ but I should have just gone ebay or somewhere to get it for cheaper.

It's called, "Halo: Combat Evolved". The PC version is better than the mac one since the PC version works with the windows only editor.

COD4 multiplayer is quite fun, but it can be frustrating at times. The map design and balance is not fantastic. I've run into people who are ridiculously good at times, but I don't usually suspect them of cheating since it's possible to kill in just one shot with most rifles. Also, I'm not very good at the game, My K/D ratio is nowhere near 2:1, though it could be the lag produced my my aging computer. I recently went back to my old standby for realism shooters. INS is pretty hardcore, so it doesn't appeal much to the mainstream crowd, which also includes most of the cheaters.

I haven't really learned all the maps yet as well as I should, I do keep finding new little ways of getting to places, ambush positions, etc. It's not the easiest game to learn, as you start out with no weapon attachments and not a whole lot of options in terms of your perks, but if you play a mode like Headquarters a lot, you'll level quickly and learn how to do better. Stay away from Search and Destroy unless you really know what you're doing. I've played COD1-4 now, so I'm quite used to the mechanics, and shooters have been a mainstay of my gaming experience since Unreal Tournament. I do think COD4 is one of the finest shooters I've played. It's got a good pace and realism, and the ironsights are very good. I've been max level for a while now and there's still plenty of challenges to complete to keep it fresh. I think I'll be playing it for many years. Some of the maps I definitely don't like a whole lot, but a good server will mix things up nicely and use appropriate game modes for each map.

Well the reason I want to get it for mac is because my PC is really laggy. I have to play on servers with 8 or less people.