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Edwin|
because i feel like asking a dangerously stupid question, and this is probably the most dangerously stupid forum to ask a dangerously stupid question in.

What is the direction "left"? how does one know which way "left" is?
zurdo
This is a very simple question from a scientific standpoint.

Left is the side of the road that Richard Dawkins drives on.
Pufer
The direction relative to the perceptual prime northward axis evident at all points westward.

-Pufer
Destroyer E
Three rights.
JacaByte
Hold up both your hands. Now spread out your thumb and index finger to produce an "L." Your left thumb and index finger should produce the "L" properly. This is easy to remember as L stands for Left.
mrxak
It's entirely to do with sight. It is a direction to the negative side on the x-axis in your field of vision.
Rickton
The other side from "right."
Mispeled
The side to which my junk doesn't hang.
Pufer
QUOTE(Mispeled @ Jan 14 2008, 08:48 PM) *
The side to which my junk doesn't hang.


I believe that the majority of Americans are left-junked. Be sure to mention that you "dress-right" if you're ever buying a good suit, or else you'll be needlessly cramped.

-Pufer
Buffalo the Kid
Ok, here's what you do.

Turn backwards and crab walk until you are directly between Pluto and Sol. Do 25 jumping jacks while attempting a triple sow cow on your hands. Trying to do so, you will fall off of a bridge. Once you've fallen off of the bridge, have one of those chase scenes with all of the doors and weird music. This will take you all the way to Chile. In Chile, go to the monkey shaped giraffe and spin around so fast that you drill into the ground. As soon as you have drilled down about -86465 meters, pick up a soccer ball and throw it at the Pentagon, causing it to fall out of the sky. Ski to the place where the pentagon used to be and find a plastic model of the manger scene. In the shortest leg of the manger, you will find your left.


(Yet again... What happens when teens can't sleep...)
Pufer
QUOTE(Buffalo the Kid @ Jan 14 2008, 10:52 PM) *
(Yet again... What happens when teens can't sleep...)


Lube gets used up?

-Pufer
Buffalo the Kid
You sick, sick man...
Veritus Dartarion
QUOTE(Pufer @ Jan 14 2008, 09:20 PM) *
I believe that the majority of Americans are left-junked. Be sure to mention that you "dress-right" if you're ever buying a good suit, or else you'll be needlessly cramped.

-Pufer

waitwaitwait- Americans? Does it go with the (opposite of the) side of the road you drive on or something?
SoItBegins
Left means wrong. Here's why:

Left = 'not right'

Wrong = 'not right'


Ergo, left = wrong.
Lektor
No stupid. two wrong make a right!

therefore Left = Right!
G-Spark
Left = The side of my face that I didn't get creamed on playing dodgeball. I was doing my specialty, which is standing in the middle of the court, just a few steps behind the center line. I dodge dozens of balls easily, and then laugh. Really. I just stand there with my hand crossed behing my back waiting for people to say "Hey, let's hit *My name*, he's just standing there. People always try to hit me, since I'm usually not coordinated, and just stand there. Occassionally I get hit, and the last time, I got smoked in the face by a friend of mine. My glasses flew off and soared half-way across the gym. I don't know how far it was, but I couldn't see them. The last time that happened, there was a person that I don't really get along with, so I kept throwing the ball at her. She hit me in the face, my glasses fell off, and I almost stepped on them, again.
mrxak
I think my definition is best. It just doesn't work so well with blind people.
Destroyer E
QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 14 2008, 08:31 PM) *
It's entirely to do with sight. It is a direction to the negative side on the x-axis in your field of vision.

QUOTE(mrxak @ Jan 21 2008, 11:11 AM) *
I think my definition is best. It just doesn't work so well with blind people.

It's a good definition, but it's too limiting. Allow me to explain with this example of your left and right hands. If sight defines what is left and right, then you can position both your hands on the positive side of your x-axis of vision and essentially have two right hands. Furthermore, when both your right hands are positioned, you can disprove JacaByte's definition because one of your right hands will be making the L. Problematic? Yes, but I have a solution. Let's go back to my definition:
QUOTE(Destroyer E @ Jan 14 2008, 06:30 PM) *
Three rights.

Assuming this is true, you can have a left hand with the help of a friend. Along with your two right hands, have a friend bring one of his hands onto the positive side of your x-axis of vision. At this point, you have three right hands in your sight. Conclusively, you now have one left hand.

Now I'm going to end this post by saying two things:
1.) Thank God I'm a righty.
2.) Bacon sounds good right now.
Shlimazel
This seems an appropriate topic to ask the question of the century;

In what direction do you east?
adam_0
QUOTE(Destroyer E @ Jan 21 2008, 08:29 AM) *
1.) Thank God I'm a righty.

Excuse me, left for the win! Left is the direction in which the world spins, from my point of view.
Shlimazel
I see. And what direction is left?
adam_0
QUOTE(Shlimazel @ Jan 21 2008, 10:11 AM) *
I see. And what direction is left?
QUOTE(Rebelious @ Jan 21 2008, 10:10 AM) *
Left is the direction in which the world spins, from my point of view.


Shlimazel
In the words of a certain famous american, D'oh!
zurdo
QUOTE(Shlimazel @ Jan 21 2008, 10:11 AM) *
I see. And what direction is left?


East.
Shlimazel
Ah, now we get down to it! So, if left is east, then in what direction do you east?
zurdo
QUOTE(Shlimazel @ Jan 21 2008, 12:03 PM) *
Ah, now we get down to it! So, if left is east, then in what direction do you east?


Left.
Shlimazel
I disagree. I east to the west.
PiSketch
Everyone in my family failed to come up with a satisfactory answer except my dad, who said:

"If you're facing the sunrise, left is the direction of the north star, of Polaris."

Everyone here agrees on that, i'm waiting for you guys to poke holes in it. biggrin.gif
zurdo
QUOTE(PiSketch @ Jan 21 2008, 12:58 PM) *
Everyone here agrees on that, i'm waiting for you guys to poke holes in it. biggrin.gif


Does it work in the Southern Hemisphere? I wouldn't know, being at, oh, 48.9 degrees north.
adam_0
Democrat. biggrin.gif
dude3
QUOTE(Pufer @ Jan 15 2008, 02:20 AM) *
I believe that the majority of Americans are left-junked. Be sure to mention that you "dress-right" if you're ever buying a good suit, or else you'll be needlessly cramped.

-Pufer

As the old adage goes, "Dress left to impress."
LNSU
the left side is the side I do not wear my watch on. It is also the side of my dominant eye.

Also, Jacabyte's interpretation only holds up when both hands are supinated and held out in front, at a 90/90 angle from the shoulder.
G-Spark
Same here.
PiSketch
QUOTE(zurdo @ Jan 21 2008, 07:30 PM) *
Does it work in the Southern Hemisphere? I wouldn't know, being at, oh, 48.9 degrees north.

Can't see the north star if you're far enough away from the equator, so not in the same way, but the southern cross works well enough, according to him.
mrxak
QUOTE(Destroyer E @ Jan 21 2008, 11:29 AM) *
It's a good definition, but it's too limiting. Allow me to explain with this example of your left and right hands. If sight defines what is left and right, then you can position both your hands on the positive side of your x-axis of vision and essentially have two right hands. Furthermore, when both your right hands are positioned, you can disprove JacaByte's definition because one of your right hands will be making the L. Problematic? Yes, but I have a solution. Let's go back to my definition:

Assuming this is true, you can have a left hand with the help of a friend. Along with your two right hands, have a friend bring one of his hands onto the positive side of your x-axis of vision. At this point, you have three right hands in your sight. Conclusively, you now have one left hand.


Your left hand is usually defined by where it is attached to your body, not where you're holding it at the time, though surely if your left hand was over to the right side of your body you would say it was on the right side of your body (still a left hand, just on the right). I suppose if somebody was able to turn their head all the way around then either one of their hands could be left or right, but doesn't that actually make sense? If our heads were on backwards, I think left and right would be switched around for that person.

Your left hand is still your left hand no matter where it is in your field of vision, because in your field of vision it is always attached in the left side of your body within your field of vision.

The very idea of having a left hand is rather limited, I would say. Somebody without any thumbs still has a concept of left and right. Presumably an alien intelligence will divide their field of vision into six directions regardless of their anatomy (up, down, left, right, near/backward, far/forward). Leftness is more universal than mere tricks we teach little kids.

Again, you can have a hand to the left of you without being a left hand, and a hand to the right of you without being a right hand. What it's called is based on it's attachment and configuration, not its location in your field of vision. But your field of vision determines what you call its location relative to yourself.

Leftness is entirely based on point of view, that's why people ask the question "your left or mine" when facing different directions. It's about perspective, and no sense is more important to our sense of place and relation to other objects than our vision.

QUOTE(PiSketch @ Jan 21 2008, 03:58 PM) *
Everyone in my family failed to come up with a satisfactory answer except my dad, who said:

"If you're facing the sunrise, left is the direction of the north star, of Polaris."

Everyone here agrees on that, i'm waiting for you guys to poke holes in it. biggrin.gif


It only applies to a planet with our axial tilt, rotation, and general locality in the universe, which pretty much rules out almost everywhere other than Earth. If you're someplace without a sunrise, you aren't in view of Polaris, your sunrise is at a different angle, or the large body you're standing on is rotating in the opposite direction, left doesn't magically disappear or go off in some wildly different direction (like up or right).
adam_0
Left defines itself. Just like something I looked up a while back:

Sport - <watered-down definition> see athletics
Athletics - people doing sports, see athlete
Athlete - person who does sports or athletics, see sports
laugh.gif
dude3
Those are plainly inaccurate definitions. Sports and athletics are not the same.
adam_0
Well when it says "see this" it doesn't mean that they're synonymous, just that they're similar.
Mispeled
Okay, so we're looking for a truly universal way to determine which direction is left. We'll assume the situation is that it would have to be usable by a being with completely different physiology than us in a different galaxy with no common objects in the night sky to use as reference.

I think our best bet would be to use something from science - something as universal as the laws of physics or chemistry. If they had a knowledge of chemistry, perhaps some asymetrical molecule could be used, but some means of orienting it would be necessary.

We can define up and down using gravitational pull. (I think that we can assume that our far-off being exists on a spherical planet)
adam_0
Well if you use a 3D coordinate system, left is the -z axis.
Pufer
You can rotate perspective in 3D space and represenations thereof if you're so inclined.

-Pufer
Mispeled
QUOTE(Rebelious @ Jan 23 2008, 11:16 PM) *
Well if you use a 3D coordinate system, left is the -z axis.

How would you define a 3D coordinate system? How do you define which is the Z axis? How do you define which direction is the negative direction?
adam_0
The 3D coordinate system has already been defined, although I don't know how, and so all its parts have been also.
Mispeled
QUOTE(Rebelious @ Jan 24 2008, 09:29 AM) *
The 3D coordinate system has already been defined, although I don't know how, and so all its parts have been also.

By this logic, I could define left as "the direction that isn't right". Right has already been defined, but I don't know how.
adam_0
QUOTE(Mispeled @ Jan 24 2008, 01:36 PM) *
By this logic, I could define left as "the direction that isn't right". Right has already been defined, but I don't know how.

What I meant by "I don't know how" is that it's out there, I just didn't have enough time to go out and look it up. But it's out there.
G-Spark
Sorry, I couldn't help it.
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left1 /lɛft/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation{left} Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or located on or near the side of a person or thing that is turned toward the west when the subject is facing north (opposed to right).
2. (often initial capital letter) of or belonging to the political Left; having liberal or radical views in politics.
3. Mathematics. pertaining to an element of a set that has a given property when written on the left of an element or set of elements of the set: a left identity, as 1 in 1 · x = x.
–noun 4. the left side or something that is on the left side.
5. a turn toward the left: Make a left at the next corner.
6. the Left, a. the complex of individuals or organized groups advocating liberal reform or revolutionary change in the social, political, or economic order.
b. the position held by these people. Compare right (def. 33a, cool.gif.
c. left wing.

7. (usually initial capital letter) Government. a. the part of a legislative assembly, esp. in continental Europe, that is situated on the left side of the presiding officer and that is customarily assigned to members of the legislature who hold more radical and socialistic views than the rest of the members.
b. the members of such an assembly who sit on the left.

8. Boxing. a blow delivered by the left hand.
9. Baseball. left field (def. 1).
adam_0
Ahh, yes. The dictionary.
Mispeled
QUOTE(Rebelious @ Jan 24 2008, 08:18 PM) *
What I meant by "I don't know how" is that it's out there, I just didn't have enough time to go out and look it up. But it's out there.

But to define which direction is negative and which direction is positive would require definitions of left and right.
mrxak
<-- It's over there.
zurdo
QUOTE(Wikipedia)
If you magnetize a sample of cobalt-60 atoms so that they spin counterclockwise around some axis, the beta radiation resulting from their nuclear decay will be preferentially directed opposite that axis. Since counterclockwise may be defined in terms of up, forward, and right, this experiment unambiguously differentiates left from right using only natural elements: If they were reversed, or the atoms spun clockwise, the radiation would follow the spin axis instead of being opposite to it.
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