MagnusApollo
Feb 4 2008, 04:49 PM
http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question...31010337AAOiy32QUOTE
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Short answer: No.
PLASMA
A Jedi lightsaber is plasma contained in a magnetic field. Plasma is basically the form of matter which stars are made of. Pre-Crisis Superman has flown through the heart of a star without being harmed. Therefore, he is immune to plasma.
Post-Crisis Superman was not as invulnerable, e.g. a nuclear explosion would weaken him. Assuming a lightsaber contains power similar to a nuclear explosion, it could similarly disrupt his invulnerability during impact. See FORCE OF IMPACT below.
RED LIGHTSABERS
Superman receives his power from the radiation of our yellow sun, and is weakened when exposed to radiation from a red sun. It is possible that a sith lightsaber, being red, might have similar properties.
Even so, Superboy Prime was defeated after being plunged through Krypton's red sun - which weakened him, but did not destroy him. Therefore, a red lightsaber which hypothetically had the same properties as a red star should have a similar effect, i.e. it would injure him, but not "cut" him, much less cut through him.
FORCE OF IMPACT
If Superman were rendered vulnerable by a lightsaber, it would likely create a momentary weakness in that spot, allowing the physical impact to cause damage. However, lightsaber blades, being made of plasma, presumably have a very small mass. Therefore, the force of the impact would be negligible.
In short, hitting Superman with a red lightsaber is like hitting a normal human with a wet noodle.
What do you think?
Stark Bledfast
Feb 4 2008, 05:05 PM
I say we experiment.
Admiral Zombat
Feb 4 2008, 05:35 PM
If the lightsabre used Krypton for one of its power crystals, then perhaps yes. Otherwise, no.
riddlemaster GX
Feb 4 2008, 06:01 PM
yes. he is the man of steel. last time I checked, lightsabers cut through steel. however. if he's been recently been replated, hes probably the man of tritanium by now. and last time i checked lightsabers can't cut through tritanium.
schwang
Veritus Dartarion
Feb 4 2008, 06:28 PM
Lightsabers are plasma? I was always under the impression that the blade was "pure energy"
G-Spark
Feb 4 2008, 06:34 PM
Me too. That's what I was always thinking, but Magnus has provided some pretty good evidence. He's almost got me believing him. Also, if here were a man of Durasteel, he can be cut through, though I'm not sure about Tritanium. If it's Tritanium from Escape Velocity, then I think so since it's just really hard metal.
Skyfox
Feb 4 2008, 09:06 PM
QUOTE(Admiral Zombat @ Feb 4 2008, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1850482[/snapback]
If the lightsabre used Krypton for one of its power crystals, then perhaps yes. Otherwise, no.
^ this. Nothing but kryptonite or females can hurt superman, so unless its a kyrptonite lightsaber it's not going to work.
Sponge Tom
Feb 4 2008, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(riddlemaster GX @ Feb 4 2008, 06:01 PM) [snapback]1850494[/snapback]
yes. he is the man of steel. last time I checked, lightsabers cut through steel. however. if he's been recently been replated, hes probably the man of tritanium by now. and last time i checked lightsabers can't cut through tritanium.
Only cortosis is immune to lightsabers.
Admiral Zombat
Feb 4 2008, 10:02 PM
QUOTE(Sponge Tom @ Feb 4 2008, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1850611[/snapback]
Only cortosis is immune to lightsabers.
And only just ... I seem to recall frackin' those fake sith-trooper whatevers up with lightsabre reguardless of their fancy "cortosis"
Man, KotoR and Jedi Knight 2 were great games.
G-Spark
Feb 4 2008, 10:07 PM
QUOTE(Sponge Tom @ Feb 4 2008, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1850611[/snapback]
Only cortosis is immune to lightsabers.
What?
Thom
Feb 4 2008, 10:33 PM
Cortosis is a rare mineral that causes lightsabers to mildly overload and shut down. This has come up at least twice in Pre-NJO C-canon, once when Corran Horn encounters the Jensaari, who somehow incorporate the mineral into their armor, and once when Grand Admiral Thrawn's Ultimate Super Doom Fortress For The Future is surrounded by the stuff.
I don't recall the debate ever being settled in favor of plasma. The idea of lightsabers cutting with superheated plasma has some fairly obvious thermodynamic consequences that are flatly contradicted by C-canon and incompatible with, you know, Luke's hand not turning black and falling off. Therefore, it must be some sort of "energy beam" that does not radiate ridiculous amounts of heat. It's worth noting that the energy beam is only stable because the Jedi actually manipulates the connections at the atomic or subatomic level when it's being charged for the first time.
Superman pre-crisis doesn't count here, and most of the arguments presented are flawed. Basically, there's not enough information to fit lightsabers in the context of the DCU. Lightsabers almost certainly are not plasma weapons, and they definitely don't cause harm through impact or radiation. In short, Stark's answer is pretty much it.
MagnusApollo
Feb 5 2008, 12:09 AM
QUOTE(Admiral Zombat @ Feb 4 2008, 06:35 PM) [snapback]1850482[/snapback]
If the lightsabre used Krypton for one of its power crystals, then perhaps yes. Otherwise, no.
Sadly Kryptonite is a metal, not a crystal. BUT... I say if the lightsaber's shell was constructed using kryptonite then there would be a problem for Clark!
Fact: Thom's Mediclorian count is through the roof.
ElGuapo7
Feb 5 2008, 12:41 AM
What exactly was the Crisis of Infinite Earths?
Thom
Feb 5 2008, 04:26 AM
THERE ARE NO MIDICHLORIANS. (Hear no evil, hear no evil, hear no evil…)
The Crisis on Infinite Earths was an event in the DC Universe where the writers simultaneously lampshaded and retconned the massive contradictions and continuity problems by saying that there was some sort of confusing interdimensional crisis that resulted in the timeline settling on a consistent history.
Vell-os
Feb 5 2008, 05:14 AM
He got nothin' on the Sith.
Darth Vader, you're in luck.
Begemotike
Feb 5 2008, 08:00 AM
QUOTE(ElGuapo7 @ Feb 4 2008, 08:41 PM) [snapback]1850745[/snapback]
What exactly was the Crisis of Infinite Earths?
Retcon attempt #78320534060658234671
EVula
Feb 5 2008, 01:43 PM
The bulk of the argument rests on Lightsabers being plasma-based, which they are not;
lightsabers are energy-based. Unless Superman is made of
cortosis, I'd imagine he'd be in bad shape.
Sponge Tom
Feb 5 2008, 02:01 PM
Yes, but what kind of energy?
You can't really compare Star Wars with anything. It has far too many scientific flaws for it's weapons to be compared to things of other universes.
EVula
Feb 5 2008, 02:34 PM
QUOTE(Sponge Tom @ Feb 5 2008, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1850934[/snapback]
Yes, but what kind of energy?
I remember reading somewhere that the exact name was "cut-kal-el".
QUOTE(Sponge Tom @ Feb 5 2008, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1850934[/snapback]
You can't really compare Star Wars with anything. It has far too many scientific flaws for it's weapons to be compared to things of other universes.
Yes, because we all know the DC universe is
firmly planted in scientific reality...
Thom
Feb 5 2008, 03:40 PM
Most of the Star Wars weirdness isn't flaws, per se, but rather the huge bulk of stuff that they handwave. Because it's, y'know, space opera. Lightsabers are merely Sufficiently Advanced Technology that are defined well enough to work. If anyone knew how they could work, they'd start building the damn things. Since it's all science fantasy, any additional "technical details" are merely fig leaves for further hand waving.
Shlimazel
Feb 5 2008, 03:45 PM
Well, actually most of star wars could be considered Space Fantasy, due to the whole approach they use. (evil overlord, beutiful princess, 'chosen one', wise teacher, magical blade, horde of evil minions, yadda yadda.) It's hardly sci fi. I mean, B5 is sci fi, and so is Star Trek. Notice the differences between them and star wars.
MagnusApollo
Feb 5 2008, 04:25 PM
Thom your master has let you down...
MIDICHLORIANS MIDICHLORIANS MIDICHLORIANS MIDICHLORIANS...
heh.. Way to go lucas... make the force all so blah by saying it's mystical dust particles or bacteria or something...
Thom
Feb 5 2008, 04:28 PM
It's really a continuum. There's no hard line between hard and soft sci-fi, or between moderately soft sci-fi (like Star Trek and B5) and more-than-moderately soft sci-fi (like Star Wars).
MagnusApollo
Feb 5 2008, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(EVula @ Feb 5 2008, 03:34 PM) [snapback]1850957[/snapback]
I remember reading somewhere that the exact name was "cut-kal-el".
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Yes, because we all know the DC universe is firmly planted in scientific reality...
Hey..
Are you saying that a magician, a prince of atlantis who breathes underwater, a woman made of mud who is princess of the amazons, a boy who transforms by saying a magic word to a superpowered man, two people with hawk wings and hammers, a man who shrinks to the size of atoms, an alien with unstopable powers (yet looks human), a man with a ring that allows his imagination to do anything, a normal billionaire that works out alot dresses like a bat, a shapeshifting alien from the burned society on mars, a man with superhuman speed, a guy that can flex and bend to any size, and another billionaire that can shoot arrows with alarming accuracy isn't firmly planted in the realms of true scientific fact???? I have you know this is way more believable than those running for the presidential seat of the US of A.
Admiral Zombat
Feb 5 2008, 04:34 PM
QUOTE(MagnusApollo @ Feb 5 2008, 12:09 AM) [snapback]1850724[/snapback]
Sadly Kryptonite is a metal, not a crystal. BUT... I say if the lightsaber's shell was constructed using kryptonite then there would be a problem for Clark!
Looks pretty crystalline to me ... also looked crystalline in the movie. I'm no superman buff tho.
MagnusApollo
Feb 5 2008, 04:38 PM
i had said this to a friend of mine because in every show I had seen it was crystal, but i was shot down by my superman fanatical friend. (he even has the superman logo tattooed across his chest... and no i'm not joking). He had like 45 references on hand saying that while it looks crystalline in fact it's a metal that looks that way and glows differently due to the sun on earth. This could be wrong, but I had expected Thom to use that same line of logic on me, so I was hoping my friends geekdom would save me.
personally I will recant what i said, and think I will agree with you. It looks like a crystal to me!
~vIsitor~
Feb 5 2008, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(Admiral Zombat @ Feb 5 2008, 09:34 PM) [snapback]1851011[/snapback]
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Looks pretty crystalline to me ... also looked crystalline in the movie. I'm no superman buff tho.
I think he meant the
real life Kryptonite, Zombat (yes, there IS a Kryptonite, and it ain't a green crystal).
SoItBegins
Feb 5 2008, 04:58 PM
This is in Just Chat why?
darth_vader
Feb 5 2008, 06:09 PM
QUOTE(EVula @ Feb 5 2008, 12:43 PM) [snapback]1850925[/snapback]
The bulk of the argument rests on Lightsabers being plasma-based, which they are not;
lightsabers are energy-based. Unless Superman is made of
cortosis, I'd imagine he'd be in bad shape.
Exactly. It's not plasma. Blaster bolts are plasma, as far as I can tell, but not lightsabers.
QUOTE(Sponge Tom @ Feb 5 2008, 01:01 PM) [snapback]1850934[/snapback]
Yes, but what kind of energy?
Well, you can see it, some presumably some of that energy is in the form of light, and it heats things up, so some is in the form of heat, and it has various other properties which aren't really explained. Plasma is a form of matter, and one thing we know a lightsaber isn't made out of is matter.
Admiral Zombat
Feb 5 2008, 06:23 PM
QUOTE(SoItBegins @ Feb 5 2008, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1851021[/snapback]
This is in Just Chat why?
Why not? Is there a list of "Not Just Chat" topic types?
darth_vader
Feb 5 2008, 06:34 PM
SoItBegins, this topic is serious, and it is in Just Chat because Just Chat is serious business.
Sponge Tom
Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM
QUOTE(darth_vader @ Feb 5 2008, 06:09 PM) [snapback]1851057[/snapback]
Exactly. It's not plasma. Blaster bolts are plasma, as far as I can tell, but not lightsabers.
Actually, I read the "Star Wars: The New Essential Guide to Characters, Weapons and Technology, Vehicles and Vessels", and blaster bolts are lasers enriched with volatile "blaster gas".
QUOTE
Most of the Star Wars weirdness isn't flaws, per se, but rather the huge bulk of stuff that they handwave. Because it's, y'know, space opera. Lightsabers are merely Sufficiently Advanced Technology that are defined well enough to work. If anyone knew how they could work, they'd start building the damn things. Since it's all science fantasy, any additional "technical details" are merely fig leaves for further hand waving.
Actually, I mean things like it doesn't use inertia in space. Millennium Falcon side cockpit + sharp turn = pilot goes splat.
Thom
Feb 5 2008, 07:48 PM
QUOTE
blaster bolts are lasers enriched with volatile "blaster gas".
They're not strictly lasers. As with lightsabers, the specifics aren't well-defined, but blasters fire some kind of energized matter. Plasma has problems in the plausibility department here.
BTW, it's been firmly established that lightsabers in good working order do not emit heat.
G-Spark
Feb 5 2008, 08:27 PM
There are stations somewhere that gather the gas used in blasters. It's kinda like the ones from EV Nova. They aren't exactly lasers, and are kinda gas powered something and another.
On the subject of Kryptonite:
I think you may be thinking of Krypton.
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kryp·ton /ˈkrɪptÉ’n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[krip-ton] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Chemistry. an inert, monatomic gaseous element, present in very small amounts in the atmosphere: used in high-power, tungsten-filament light bulbs. Symbol: Kr; atomic weight: 83.80; atomic number: 36.
However, I remember reading something in a Current Science magazine that they found some sort of white rock or something with almost the exact same composition of Kryptonite. They looked up the composition and Kryptonite popped up in the search. Superman fans beware. Kryptonite is real.
On the subject of Cortosis:
Repeated strikes from a lightsaber will still eventually cut through it. If you have armor made of it, you're possibly still screwed as I doubt you'd be able to fight off a Jedi.
And yes, some people are taking this discussion seriously, and as such it deserves to be here.
Hypochondriac
Feb 6 2008, 08:14 AM
I doubt it will cut through Superman. He could probably use it to shave though. Would a lightsaber be able to cut through adamantium? I ask because supposedly superman can walk through beams that shred adamantium.
G-Spark
Feb 6 2008, 05:52 PM
It can probably. The Star Wars physics have never been compared with Superman physics, at least not near me. It's makes one hundred percent sense that a lightsaber can cut through Superman, but it makes sense that it should do nothing.
Also, if you want to short out a lightsaber, just throw water on it. Obi-wan fell in a puddle and shorted out his lightsaber.
EVula
Feb 6 2008, 06:09 PM
There are water-resistant lightsabers, however; the Wokieepedia link I provided describes them.
Hypochondriac
Feb 6 2008, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(EVula @ Feb 6 2008, 06:09 PM) [snapback]1851534[/snapback]
There are water-resistant lightsabers, however; the Wokieepedia link I provided describes them.
What link?
Thom
Feb 6 2008, 09:37 PM
It's probably not the case that water "shorts out" the lightsaber, but rather that the lightsaber shuts off to avoid draining its entire power cell on water.
EVula
Feb 7 2008, 03:36 PM
QUOTE(Hypochondriac @ Feb 6 2008, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1851545[/snapback]
What link?
Oh, I love the bastardry of changing both our posts to leave no evidence. Mwuhaha.
MagnusApollo
Feb 7 2008, 04:35 PM
If superman goes to the Star Wars universe he gets hurt by a lightsaber...
If a lightsaber ends up in the DC universe then superman is invincible.
Murphies laws of comic book.
Stark Bledfast
Feb 7 2008, 04:56 PM
But what if Darth Maul and Superman are both vacationing at Disney?
EVula
Feb 7 2008, 05:30 PM
Disney could be considered home turf for Maul, given
a certain blending of franchises.
lemonyscapegoat
Feb 7 2008, 05:42 PM
Oh ###### no. I didn't just see that.
Begemotike
Feb 8 2008, 04:11 PM
darth_vader
Feb 9 2008, 05:23 PM
Why does that video not have 100,000 views?
Begemotike
Feb 9 2008, 07:24 PM
I dunno man, I dunno. I know I called them with my credit card right away!!
ElGuapo7
Feb 10 2008, 12:12 AM
Sith chefs. Ell Oh Ell.
G-Spark
Feb 10 2008, 03:32 PM
What about Vibranium? That can only be pierced by other Vibranium. Can a lightsaber pierce that?
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Murphies laws of comic book.
I suppose the same thing would apply.
gavin83209
Feb 11 2008, 12:07 PM
The last time
I checked, only Cortosis Alloys (which a lightsaber can be tuned to cut through) and Phrik Alloys (which is what made General Grievous's bodyguards staffs) are immune to lightsaber strikes. Don't believe me?
Phrik and
Cortosis from Wookiepedia.
Jedi win, hands down.
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