Has anyone else noticed that the odd numbered Star Trek movies generally suck, but the even numbered ones are generally good?

Movie #: my rating (on a scale from 1-10, 10 being best)
1: 4
2: 7.5
3: 3
4: 8.5
5: 2.5
6: 9
7: 6.5
8: 8.5
9: 5
10: ???

If the trend continues, Star Trek 10 ought to be pretty good.

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Conservatives just have different priorities about the environment. They'd rather be able to afford the rebreather masks and oxygen tanks than not need them at all.

I thought that "Generations" was at least a "7".

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Yeah, I suppose it's a minor exception.

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Conservatives just have different priorities about the environment. They'd rather be able to afford the rebreather masks and oxygen tanks than not need them at all.

TMP was the only one that truly sucked, but yes, the even ones are better overall. V! and VIII were awesome. Generations was pretty good for an odd-numbered one, Insurrection seemed too much like the franchise was coming down from the First Contact high. V is reputed to be awful, though I kind of liked it. And III just hasn't got much to hold my interest.

My rankings:

I: 2
II: 8.5
III: 4
IV: 7.5
V: 6
VI: 9.5
VII: 7
VIII: 10
IX: 6.5

Some additional thoughts:
10 has huge expectations to live up to. Never before has there been a four-year interval between their releases (it's always been 2 or 3). And John Logan, the screenwriter, co-wrote Gladiator. Also, the fact that it will be the last Next Gen movie in all likelihood means it must needs be cool! Or else...

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That's kinda like the Tecumsa (sp) curse, in which every president who was been elected on the 20 year mark since 1840 has been killed in office(except to Reagan, who was shot) Makes you wonder what's in store for 'ol Dubya.....

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And I'd give First Contact at least a 9, that was the best Star Trek movie ever, imo.

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Not killed necessarily. FDR died in office of natural causes.

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No way. The Wrath of Khan is way better than First Contact. Especially since First Contact never really explained the whole time travel thing.

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Hmm... I only saw parts of that one, so I guess I can't really judge......

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ST4 and ST6 were really good. I'd say they were both better than ST2.

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Conservatives just have different priorities about the environment. They'd rather be able to afford the rebreather masks and oxygen tanks than not need them at all.

Ever watched all 9 Star Trek movies in one day? It's really cool. It's the trekkie equivalent of the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca...

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Conservatives just have different priorities about the environment. They'd rather be able to afford the rebreather masks and oxygen tanks than not need them at all.

Borg have temperal tech explained in Voyager. And The Voyage Home (or something like that) was quite vocal on how they did a time jump. Of course, time travel is really impossible, but time manipulation is possible on the quantom level.

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Wrath of Khan and First Contact were the best Trek movies by far, but the first was still a bit better. Khan just rocked. StarStrafer, I can't believe you're giving V a 6 rating -- there's a reason it's one of the B movies that runs every other day at 3 AM on TBS. It just stank.

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Wrath of Khan and Voyage home were the two best ST movies.

Generations was also excellent, (it was well written, considering it was a chop-job!)

Star Trek V was simply...bad. Shatner SUCKS at directing.

And the screenplay's author needs a good spanking.

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I must agree with shayborg: ST: The Wrath of Khan shines forever as the greatest of Trek films (and greatest of Ricardo Montalban movies), while I still have nightmares about ST: The Final Frontier. Brrr…what an godawful film. In its way, even worse than ST: The Motion Picture—if only because by then, they should have known better, you know?

Anyone remember Khan's full name?

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"Noonian Singh", I believe.

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What Yoda described is also known as the "Odd Number Curse" in Star Trek fandom. This is hardly a new discovery.

It's also a bunch of mythical nonsense.

The fact is, II, IV, and VI all involve Harve Bennett.

Personally, I think IV has been over-rated whereas III has been under-rated.

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A name which will live…in infamy! You are correct, sir.

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Indeed, Khan Noonien Singh it is. Interestingly, the character on the Next Generation who created the android Data (both he and Data were played by Brent Spiner) was named Noonien Soong.



Bennett was actually involved in III-VI. He wrote III in fact, and in V, the admiral Kirk refers to as Bob is Bennett in a cameo.

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[This message has been edited by StarStrafer (edited 05-15-2001).]

My ratings:

Star Trek I - The Motion Picture = 3
Star Trek II - The Wrath of Kahn = 8
Star Trek III - The Search for Spock = 5
Star Trek IV - The Journy Home = 7
Star Trek V - The Final Frontier = -1
Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country = 8
Star Trek Generations = 7
Star Trek First Contact = 10
Star Trek Insurrection = 9

I personally like ST Generations the most because my entire family can watch it and it has absolutely no bad parts inappropriet for my younger siblings (the youngest is 8).

Star Trek First Contact, thought it was very gory, was still an incredibly great movie. Great plot, great acting, great special effects, great everything! Star Trek Insurrection was also great because of all the special effects and fighting and stuff.

And of all the original movies, Star Trek II and Star Trek VI are definitely my favorites. Star Trek V just plained sucked. Bad acting, bad plot, bad everything.

Overral, the two greatest Star Trek movies are definitely The Wrath of Kahn and First Contact.

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The first Star Trek thing I saw was "First Contact". It is one of the coolest movies that I've seen. And the MAD parody wasn't bad, either.

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The Undiscovered Country was a good movie, but I like The Wrath of Khan better. And The Voyage Home was okay... but it's not as good as everyone says it is.

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<LOL> First contact is not gory. If you find that gory i'll would hate to see you think about Starship Troopers.

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<LOL> First contact is not gory. If you find that gory i'll would hate to see you think about Starship Troopers or the Exorcist.

Anyway First contact is definetly the best ST film.
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Confession: I could not bring myself to go see Insurrection. I wanted to, or told myself that I wanted to, but I found Generations and First Contact so uninspiring that I lost heart. I likely won't see the next (last?) film.

TNG became, over time, a tremendous television show. But its greatest strength—its ensemble heart, the relationships between the characters—was lost when the execs at Paramount decided they had a new bankable movie franchise on its hands. But this is a corporate kind of mistake—you create something singular and think you can duplicate it as many times as needed.

Hey—maybe they'll wait another twenty-five years or so and try again.

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Bleh. Even though it was gory, it was only too gory in a few scenes here and there. Starship Troopers? I ain't gonna see that cheap movie.

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Eh? We had that assimilated guy waving his severed arm (which had been sealed off by cybernetics) around, but that's about as gory as STFC gets. For gore see another excellent movie: American Psycho.

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Starship Troopers was actually pretty good, even though it was really gory in a couple parts. The series was even better.

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Well, there was the entire suck out the brains thing, the knife through the hand, the head blown open.

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Are we talking about the same movie? I mean First Contact, not Starship Troopers.

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no, sorry.
but, is it just me, or did khan have excessively large breasts for a guy?



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oh.. i accidentally ate the thing i was replying to above.. scroll youse way, way up to a Q about khan's full name. sorry 'bout that. time to lay of the gin, methinks....

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but maybe they'll make a ds9 film? oh please,please, great & capricious gods of scifi? except, they killed off all the cool characters. so, not such a good idea...
(oh, i know, newbie and yet excessive posting... again, i blame gin.. also, i promise to shut up for a while now)


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It's been more or less determined that there will be no DS9 movies They'd never be able to get Avery Brooks back, anyway. Any further movies after X will likely be based on Voyager or Enterprise.

Side note: boy, lotta topics being brought back from the grave tonight.

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That sucks. I always liked DS9 the best.


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I'm ignorant with what happened with DS9 (I followed it for quite a while in it's earlier seasons), but what did happen to Avery Brooks. Did he get bored or what? It's just the way you said that it sounds like there were problems down the road.

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From what I read, Brooks never wanted the part in the first place, but his wife convinced him to take it. Throughout DS9's run, he was never interested in discussing the show outside of production, and he does not appear to have any desire to be associated with it any longer. I believe this is the reason he was the only one of the cast not to do the voice of his character in the recent DS9 computer game The Fallen.

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I think it's the opposite, but that's just me. V'ger away!

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Well, Sisko's dead, TNG guys are all retired, and Janeway finally got home.

So my money's on the upcoming prequel series...

ElG7

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I liked TMP, and I've come to find that I'm the only one.


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1: 2
2: 7
3: 5
4: 8
5: 1
6: 5.1
7: 6
8: 7.5
9: 8
10: 12 (I hope)

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Starship Troopers: has anybody actually read the book? The powerd suits were mind blowing. I can't believe they left out the best part in the movie.

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Are you talking about "Enterprise"? If so, what's that about? I saw a preview thingie after the season finale of Voyager, and have no clue what it is. Is it a series that picks up after First Contact or something?

Regarding the movies, my favorite is Undiscovered Country. No doubt about it. Greatest plot of all. The floating purple blood is cool too, and Chang just rocks!!

I thought the blood was more pinkish... like Pepto Bismol or something...

Anyway, ignoring any problems with Sisko, I'd think that DS9 would be the only series other than TNG that a movie could be made upon. The Original crew is too old, and now, sadly, incomplete, Voyager wasn't good enough... but even if it was, the last episode kinda killed the possibility of any kind of a movie using the same premiss of the show.

As for Enterprise: I sure hope it doesn't suck.

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Enterprise takes place before the founding of the Federation, and only 100 years from now. It's about another ship named Enterprise, but it's obviously not a Starfleet vessel.

I'd also like to point out that the idea of Sisko being dead is a common misconception, as it wasn't definitely established what happened to him.

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Correct on both points. To be exact though on the second one, Sisko is now apparently with the wormhole aliens or "Prophets". They've taken him up there to have him teach them and stuff. I think that was really lame.

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duhhhh... sorry, didn't mean to drag up old topics too much. i'm new though, so do i get to be dumb for a wee while? but, re ds9, is sisko *really* dead. i mean, soap opera etiquette demands a body before death can be assured...
oh well. but, stop! an evil child (ok, martin) tells me thet *that man* from quantum leap is set to star in the new trek series. people, tell me it ain't so. he annoys me more than the presenters on mtv (pretty much unquantifiable).
well, gotta go play with my hamster (and no, it's NOT a metaphor)

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