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The Space Between
http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newidst?sc...tid=410180007.K

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TITLE 41
INSURANCE
CHAPTER 18
THE INSURANCE CONTRACT
41-1807. POWER TO CONTRACT -- PURCHASE OF INSURANCE BY MINORS. (1) Any
person of competent legal capacity may contract for insurance.
(2) Any minor not less than fifteen (15) years of age, notwithstanding
his minority, may contract for annuities or for insurance upon his own
life, body, health, property, liabilities or other interests, or on the
person of another in whom the minor has an insurable interest. Such a minor
shall, notwithstanding such minority, be deemed competent to exercise all
rights and powers with respect to or under (a) any contract for annuity or
for insurance upon his own life, body or health, or (cool.gif any contract such
minor effected upon his own property, liabilities or other interests, or on
the person of another, as might be exercised by a person of full legal age,
and may at any time surrender his interest in any such contracts and give
valid discharge for any benefit accruing or money payable thereunder. Such
a minor shall not, by reason of his minority, be entitled to rescind, avoid
or repudiate the contract, nor to rescind, avoid or repudiate any exercise
of a right or privilege thereunder, except that such a minor not otherwise
emancipated, shall not be bound by any unperformed agreement to pay by
promissory note or otherwise, any premium on any such annuity or insurance
contract.
(3) Any annuity contract or policy of life or disability insurance
procured by or for a minor under subsection (2) above, shall be made
payable either to the minor or his estate or to a person having an
insurable interest in the life of the minor.


If I'm correct, this law says that people fifteen and up can move out and do anything an "adult" can do except for the obvious tobacco, alchohol, and n00die bar stuff, right?

Haha. This is new to me so I'm just trying to decode all the legal mumbo-jumbo in that document.

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The Infidel
Ummm... it just says they can purchase insurance.

Freeeeeeeeedommmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The Space Between
Haha. Yeah, I don't get that. Insurance? That's what I thought it meant, too, but one of my friends said "...you can claim emancipation and you can move out at 16..."

*shrug*

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spl_cadet
This explains what emancipation of a minor is.
http://www.saccourts.com/family/emancipati...mancipation.asp

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The Space Between
Thanks, cadet.

That helped a bunches. California knows how to tell me stuff without me getting confused, unliked Idaho. Guess that's why I was born in Cali.


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Lobster
Most laws are stupid. [/useless generalization]
astro
The Space Between, keep in mind that states frequently do things differently. it appears that idaho has no formal emancipation statute, although some laws recognize minors as emancipated if they are either married or emancipated in another state.

by the way, a contract with a minor is usually voidable (they are presumed incompetent to contract). the statute you cited gets around that limitation for insurance contracts.

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Githon
Generally if you're old enough to understand what Emancipation is (and able to pronouce it), but haven't run the hell away in the middle of the night and gotten a job... it'll probably take till your 18 to push it through the court system happy.gif;

Given that you live in California (Yes I live in CA, so I know what it's like here >_< ), odds are anything that emancipation would grant you is something you can already get away with. Except you wouldn't get control of any trust-funds you have until you're 18, and things of similar nature.

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spl_cadet
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Originally posted by Githon:
Given that you live in California (Yes I live in CA, so I know what it's like here >_< ), odds are anything that emancipation would grant you is something you can already get away with. Except you wouldn't get control of any trust-funds you have until you're 18, and things of similar nature.


Actually he lives in Idaho.

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draconix
Everyone would tell me to get emancipated when I lived with my father (and more importantly, stepmother) because of the way I was treated. I held out though, and waited to get kicked out when I graduated highschool. I could have gotten emancipated by a court hearing on account of child abuse, but I didn't want to. Good thing I didn't, because my stepmother can't touch my inheritence (from grandparents), which is apparently quite a lot, and I would have been disowned had I charged them with anything.

On a lighter note, my friend asked me to consider marrying her so she could be emancipated. (I said I wouldn't marry her, but if she got emancipated and needed a place to stay, I would let her stay with me)

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The Space Between
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Originally posted by draconix:
Everyone would tell me to get emancipated when I lived with my father (and more importantly, stepmother) because of the way I was treated. I held out though, and waited to get kicked out when I graduated highschool. I could have gotten emancipated by a court hearing on account of child abuse, but I didn't want to. Good thing I didn't, because my stepmother can't touch my inheritence (from grandparents), which is apparently quite a lot, and I would have been disowned had I charged them with anything.

On a lighter note, my friend asked me to consider marrying her so she could be emancipated. (I said I wouldn't marry her, but if she got emancipated and needed a place to stay, I would let her stay with me)



Wow. You sound a lot like me, but I'm not abused... Because I won't (and don't) put up with it. It's just that I'm never allowed to do anything. They question me when I ask them if I can go to a friend's house. Just the other night they wanted to go to some big fiasco dinner party thing and a few hours before I told them I didn't want to. They blew up and they ended up not going because of me. Between the even of me saying I wasn't going and them ending up staying home is blurred, and probably unmentionable here.

I wouldn't get emancipated for two reasons:
1) parents won't agree to it
2) I don't feel like working until this summer.


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Captaintripps
The whole point is that your parents wouldn't have to agree to it.

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Originally posted by The Space Between:
1) parents won't agree to it



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The Space Between
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Originally posted by Captaintripps:
The whole point is that your parents wouldn't have to agree to it.



*raises eyebrow*

Oh really? (Now, this is from the Californian thingy, but I think it's practically the same.)

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2. You willingly want to live separate and apart from your parents with the consent or acquiescence of your parents. (Your parents do not object to you living apart from them.)


Otherwise, you'd see a lot more minors living away from their parents...

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Captaintripps
Oops. Got my terms confused there. Sorry.

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Originally posted by The Space Between:
Otherwise, you'd see a lot more minors living away from their parents...


...for about 5 minutes, the Reality would bite them on the ass.

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Githon
spl_cadet: I see, got confused.

draconix: Sorry to hear about your bad (or partially bad) childhood. Probably a good idea you didn't marry your friend.

The Space Between: Your parents not letting you go hang out is by no means grounds for emancipation. If they regularly violently beat you, or you become a celebrity and make millions of dollars and they squander most of it buying themselves cars and fur coats, then you'd have a chance. "I can't go to my friends without a bunch of questions" and "They tried to make me go to a fancy dinner party" would get you laughed out of a court room. Parents are legally allowed to be invasive and drag you around to places you don't wanna go.

They have to do something *seriously* bad for you. Besides that, you'd have to get a lawyer:
"Mom, Dad, can I have $50 an hour to get emancipated so I don't have to do what you say?" happy.gif
And like you said, you'd have to work before summer.

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The Space Between
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Originally posted by Captaintripps:
Oops. Got my terms confused there. Sorry.



Haha. It's okay.

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Originally posted by EVula:
...for about 5 minutes, the Reality would bite them on the ass.



I didn't say they'd be doing well.

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The Space Between
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Originally posted by Githon:
The Space Between: Your parents not letting you go hang out is by no means grounds for emancipation. If they regularly violently beat you, or you become a celebrity and make millions of dollars and they squander most of it buying themselves cars and fur coats, then you'd have a chance. "I can't go to my friends without a bunch of questions" and "They tried to make me go to a fancy dinner party" would get you laughed out of a court room. Parents are legally allowed to be invasive and drag you around to places you don't wanna go.

They have to do something *seriously* bad for you. Besides that, you'd have to get a lawyer:
"Mom, Dad, can I have $50 an hour to get emancipated so I don't have to do what you say?" happy.gif
And like you said, you'd have to work before summer.



I wouldn't think about getting emancipated in my situation, anyway. I was just talking to draconix about our similar (sorta) situations. I was curious about the law, because I'd never heard of such a thing.

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draconix
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Originally posted by The Space Between:
Wow. You sound a lot like me, but I'm not abused... Because I won't (and don't) put up with it. It's just that I'm never allowed to do anything. They question me when I ask them if I can go to a friend's house. Just the other night they wanted to go to some big fiasco dinner party thing and a few hours before I told them I didn't want to. They blew up and they ended up not going because of me. Between the even of me saying I wasn't going and them ending up staying home is blurred, and probably unmentionable here.

I wouldn't get emancipated for two reasons:
1) parents won't agree to it
2) I don't feel like working until this summer.



You have it so easy. What you describe is what I have seen to be perfectly normal, and healthy. Parents and children are supposed to have disagreements, and the parents are supposed to win.

My good friend was raped, possibly by someone close. She has had several nervous breakdowns. Her family makes spl_cadet look atheist. (They refuse to let her associate with anyone not an Evangelist. Luckily, she has some freedom, and her parents don't know I exist.)

And I... I don't remember most of my childhood. It's all blank to me. But whatever it was, it has burned a permanent aversion to physical contact with any other humans into my mind. All I remember of note are fearing my mother's rage, being repeatedly harassed by gays back in middle school, and having a nervous breakdown around age 13, throwing me into what was apparently several years of a manic-depressive funk that I only recovered from in the last 2 years. In recent times, I have had to escape my mother's house to keep from being killed by my drunken stepfather. Then I moved in with my father and stepmother. I was locked out of the house until 5 PM every day, and kicked out at around 6 AM every morning, regardless of whether or not I was in school. And what time I spent with my father was usually taken away by my stepmother, who so loved insisting, over and over, that I was a loser and would never amount to anything in life.

And I fully acknowledge that there are others out there far worse off than we are. Still, it pains me to see people wishing to be emancipated over a simple disagreement.

I count myself lucky that my parents were no worse than they were, and that my life was no worse than it was. Very lucky.

I made it. My friends made it. We're here, and we're alive, and, at least for me, things are looking up. I know any of us could have been emancipated, but I feel that we are better for not doing so.


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Brittany.
I've been "researching" emancipation laws in Idaho for a good two hours now. All I get out of it is that there is none. But I'm kind of in a bind.
I'm 16, pregnant.. With my boyfriend's baby. Who turns 18 in less than a month.
The thing is, my mom has already threatened to press statutory rape charges. That's not the only thing I'm worried about.. I don't want to give the baby up for adoption, or abortion. I'm more than fit for the mother role. I've nannied for a good three years. Etc.
I've actually been put on Diversion this month because of a fight with my dad. One night he got mad at me, and started hitting me. I called the cops, they didn't take a report, or pictures. I sent his wife a text the next day that said I hoped she died. After all that, I've had nothing but problems with living at my mom's. I'm no angel, but the mental abuse is getting to the point where I've thought of just running away. I can't handle having a baby, living here, and dealing with this.
He has a house, we have money, jobs, cars, everything that we need. It's just I can't find any way of getting help. A girl at my work mentioned something about talking to a lawyer. But I still haven't run across anything like that in any laws.
Anyone know anything I could do?
I really need some help.
Thanks in advance.
Sierro
Hey Brittany, sorry to tell you this but this probably isn't the best place to ask about this sort of thing. You did dig up a forum topic that was posted five whole years ago, after all. I'd take your friend's advice to call a lawyer if I were you. Good luck.
Sundered Angel
Brittany,

It sounds like you're in real trouble, and my heart goes out to you. Unfortunately, like Sierro said, this discussion board is probably not the best place to get the help you deserve - and you do deserve help.

I think you need to call a helpline, preferably one in your local area, so you can get advice as to what resources are available to you. It sounds like you've been subjected to domestic violence; calling a domestic violence shelter may be the best place for you to start.

Do you live in Idaho? A quick internet search turned up a list of local hotlines in Idaho: http://www.co.bannock.id.us/dv24hour.htm

Unfortunately, I don't live anywhere near Idaho, so I can't tell you how up-to-date this list is, or how accurate all the numbers are. But please, do call someone. Nobody should have to suffer through your situation alone, and I'm afraid that the internet alone isn't a strong enough source of help.
Skyfox
QUOTE(Brittany. @ Mar 24 2008, 08:58 PM) *
I've been "researching" emancipation laws in Idaho for a good two hours now. All I get out of it is that there is none. But I'm kind of in a bind.
I'm 16, pregnant.. With my boyfriend's baby. Who turns 18 in less than a month.
The thing is, my mom has already threatened to press statutory rape charges. That's not the only thing I'm worried about.. I don't want to give the baby up for adoption, or abortion. I'm more than fit for the mother role. I've nannied for a good three years. Etc.
I've actually been put on Diversion this month because of a fight with my dad. One night he got mad at me, and started hitting me. I called the cops, they didn't take a report, or pictures. I sent his wife a text the next day that said I hoped she died. After all that, I've had nothing but problems with living at my mom's. I'm no angel, but the mental abuse is getting to the point where I've thought of just running away. I can't handle having a baby, living here, and dealing with this.
He has a house, we have money, jobs, cars, everything that we need. It's just I can't find any way of getting help. A girl at my work mentioned something about talking to a lawyer. But I still haven't run across anything like that in any laws.
Anyone know anything I could do?
I really need some help.
Thanks in advance.


Move in with a friend if you can, get out of the house and away from your father.

Contact a lawyer, and get help from friends.

Take pictures/document everything yourself if the cops won't do it. You sound like you have a really solid case for domestic violence.
mrxak
Sundered Angel's advice is good. Just one more comment:

If you're worried about additional violence if somebody finds out that you've been looking up information on this stuff online (assuming you're doing this at home and not a public internet place like a library), you should delete your browser history. Depending on your browser, that might mean going to any browser preferences/settings, or something in your history itself.
Lizard
Your boyfriend can't be arrested if he was under 18 when you did it.

In Idaho 16 is legal anyway, so you're in the clear now.
Sponge Tom
QUOTE(Brittany. @ Mar 24 2008, 11:58 PM) *
I've been "researching" emancipation laws in Idaho for a good two hours now. All I get out of it is that there is none. But I'm kind of in a bind.
I'm 16, pregnant.. With my boyfriend's baby. Who turns 18 in less than a month.
The thing is, my mom has already threatened to press statutory rape charges. That's not the only thing I'm worried about.. I don't want to give the baby up for adoption, or abortion. I'm more than fit for the mother role. I've nannied for a good three years. Etc.
I've actually been put on Diversion this month because of a fight with my dad. One night he got mad at me, and started hitting me. I called the cops, they didn't take a report, or pictures. I sent his wife a text the next day that said I hoped she died. After all that, I've had nothing but problems with living at my mom's. I'm no angel, but the mental abuse is getting to the point where I've thought of just running away. I can't handle having a baby, living here, and dealing with this.
He has a house, we have money, jobs, cars, everything that we need. It's just I can't find any way of getting help. A girl at my work mentioned something about talking to a lawyer. But I still haven't run across anything like that in any laws.
Anyone know anything I could do?
I really need some help.
Thanks in advance.


But I recommend listening to what everyone here has said.
Neptune
Brittany: Follow the (good) advice given here. Do your best to avoid any future confrontations. Abusers love to turn on a dime, so be weary and don't be confrontational. It's easy to loose your cool against evil people, but you have a future to worry about.
pipeline
QUOTE(Neptune @ Mar 26 2008, 07:57 AM) *
What does that have to do with anything you stupid git?

Agreed. We're not concerned with how Brittany came into this position -- we're concerned with helping her out of it/through it.

Brittany, my sister was pregnant at age 18, and it was a hard time for her. She came through it okay, and my nephew Mike (the resultant child) is my constant joy. smile.gif Not trying to influence you one way or another (disclaimer: I'm an atheist and a humanist), but if you're worrying what kind of child might result, well... sometimes you never know.

Go with whatever your gut tells you. And do call a help-line, as Sundered Angel suggests.
Sierro
Hey, Sponge Tom? Shut up.
MagnusApollo
There are many courses you can take. I have a friend of mine that is a trooper in Idaho, if you wish for me to contact her to get in touch with you I'll gladly assist.

I would call your local help-line for childhood/minor abuse (not that you are a child, but being under 18 that is your unfortunate title). If not, then you can also turn to the Idaho Council on Domestic Viloence and Victim Assitance.

Their website can be found here with the numbers to contact any of these fine organizations.
http://www2.state.id.us/crimevictim/direct...ganizations.cfm

You aren't alone out there, and I'm proud of the members here that have offered such help.
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