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Light
Mmm, Apple's respect for its customers continues :>
http://www.macilife.com/2004/07/ipod-softw...-old-ipods.html

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iPod Software Update Arrives; Old iPods Left Behind

I was right and I regret it.

In yesterday's post about the new, fourth-generation iPod, I wrote that Apple should make some of the new iPod's enhanced menu features available to users of older iPods -- but I predicted that it wouldn't happen.

It hasn't.

Apple has indeed released a new software update for the iPods, and it does not add revamped menus and enhanced on-the-go playlist support to third-generation or earlier iPods, not even the iPod mini.

That's too bad. As I said yesterday, throwing a little bone to buyers of older iPods would be a nice consolation, a way of saying, "Yeah, so your iPod isn't the very latest one anymore. Here's a little something to make you feel better."

And the fact that the new menus and on-the-go playlist features will not be available for iPod minis introduces a new quandry for iPod buyers. Until now, the only major difference between the big and little iPods was their size. (A few dock-connector accessories don't work with the iPod mini, but who cares?)

Now, however, buyers must consider whether they also need or want the additional goodies that the fourth-generation iPod provides: the new menu scheme, the new playlist features, the audiobook speed-up/slow-down features, and so on. Buyers must compare the two iPod families carefully -- and the mini suddenly doesn't look as appealing as it did last week. The extra $50 that a new iPod costs over a mini now buys you a lot more than just several times the capacity.

Paving the Way for Photos and More?
And let me make one more Monday morning observation. The new iPod's main menu contains an item named Music. This marks the first time that the iPod user interface has required you to explicitly choose a Music command to get to your music.

So what? So this: it seems to me that this menu revamping paves the way for iPods in which other media are equal-class citizens to music.

Will we see a future iPod that also has a main menu item named Photos? Or Videos? Or Games? From a user-interface perspective, that foundation is now in place. Think of it this way: If Apple wasn't planning to make other media equal-class citizens, why add a main menu item for Music? Why have a menu item called Music for what is only a music player?

It's fun to speculate -- but in the end, it'd be more fun to be able to update my 3G iPod to have at least a few of the new capabilities of the newest iPod.


It's surprising that iPod minis aren't a part of the lucky models that get better software, though. Guess Apple's working overtime to find ways to reduce that demand, seeing as how they're unable to otherwise deal with it.

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Sigh. My iPod certainly isn't any less useful today that it was last week.

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I suspect that Light is bitter that Mac OS X will not run on 68K machines.

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Well, actually, you can have your games on the main menu, so they already have that. Same with voice memos if you have some sort of recorder.

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That's Light's job when it comes to Apple.

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Light
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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
I suspect that Light is bitter that Mac OS X will not run on 68K machines.



Considering Apple no longer sells 68K machines, and has not done so in over five years, not particularly. Considering iPod minis continue to be sold but do not have the software of the new iPods, it suddenly makes a hardware-to-price decision substantially more complicated. With the 68K machines, the ability of the chip is really not up to optimally running OS X. This cannot be said with the 2 and 3G iPods regarding the slightly different menus they now have.

- Light.

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Rommel
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Originally posted by Light:
Considering Apple no longer sells 68K machines, and has not done so in over five years, not particularly. Considering iPod minis continue to be sold but do not have the software of the new iPods, it suddenly makes a hardware-to-price decision substantially more complicated. With the 68K machines, the ability of the chip is really not up to optimally running OS X. This cannot be said with the 2 and 3G iPods regarding the slightly different menus they now have.


Yeah. Instead of upgrading older iPods to essentially exactly the same features as the new ones, and thus cannibalizing their future sales, Apple only upgraded them a little bit. Bastards.

Light, I bought a 5GB iPod within days of them becoming available. Since I bought it, Apple have added, for free, support for calendars, contact lists, and AAC; improved the battery life; and improved stability and playback quality. Even now, almost 3 years after the release of the first model, Apple continue to make improvements to a device I bought as-is, with absolutely no expectation of future feature enhancements.

Tell me -- have Sony provided such far-reaching free upgrades for their music players? How about Creative? Which other companies provide regular updates for 3-year-old consumer music devices?

Alternatively, have you considered that just maybe there are people out there who bought their iPods in order to listen to music, something that even the very first ones do almost as well as the new 4th generation?

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[This message has been edited by Rommel (edited 07-21-2004).]
David Harris
Unless the software update is somehow hardware-dependent on the new iPod to function properly, I bet some clever sumbitches will figure out how to hack it onto older iPods.

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Originally posted by pretty much everyone at one point at another:
HAHA LIGHT TALK APPLE ABOUT ROAR! HE HATES APPLE SOOO MUCH MAKE JOKE FUNNIES YES!


Wow, you're all so funny and original, I wonder who writes your material for you?

Anyway, I would have thought apple wouldn't make the new generation so much better than the iPod mini, simply because they're killing their own market. Why would anyone really buy a mini?

Apple will get a handful of the "latest and greatest" buyers who probably would have bought one of these if their old one got the new features or not, and piss off a few more people at the same time who would have hoped these features would be available to them.

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Originally posted by champion:
and piss off a few more people at the same time who would have hoped these features would be available to them.



It's going to be an itsy minority of hard core geeks who get pissed off by this - most won't know, the rest won't care.


This is really a non issue.

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I really don't see the problem with this. I mean, people aren't mad that Apple didn't release Panther features such as expose for OS 9. I would think the entire point of an upgrade is to make a new and improved product, which entices people to buy it.

I think this article puts a terrible spin on what is an exciting update. It seems to be some guy whining about an irrelevant issue. If you look at Macsurfer, all the headlines (except this one) are very positive:
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"Apple plays to hot market with new, cheaper iPods" San Francisco Cronicle 8:24 AM

"Apple Introduces New, Cheaper iPod Models" Los Angeles Times [Free Registration Required] 8:16 AM

"New iPod adds features, cuts price: Apple lops $100 off its popular MP3 players" Austin American-Statesman [Free Registration Required] 8:51 AM

"New iPods cheaper, with better batteries" Associated Press 8:51 AM

"Apple bites back as iPod rivals line up: Hot on the heels of the launch of the iPod mini, Apple yesterday took yet another bite out of rivals with its launch of a revamped version of the original iPod." Forbes.com 3:18 PM

"Apple Slashes Price Of Newest, Jazzed-Up iPod" New York Post 3:11 PM

"Apple cuts iPod price by 25%" Bloomberg News Service 8:54 AM

"Apple unveils new-generation iPod" Reuters 8:24 AM

"Apple bites back as iPod rivals line up: New, improved iPod original given longer battery life and cheaper price tag" vnunet.com 8:49 AM


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Light
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Originally posted by Trah:
I really don't see the problem with this. I mean, people aren't mad that Apple didn't release Panther features such as expose for OS 9. I would think the entire point of an upgrade is to make a new and improved product, which entices people to buy it.


And, again, this poor analogy is drawn: Apple publicly abandoned development of OS 9 for some time. Apple actually continues to sell iPod minis, but now they don't actually come with the latest software. A more apt analogy would be if Apple preinstall OS X.3 on all its computers except for the PowerBook, which, for some reason, came with OS X.1. Oh yes - you couldn't upgrade it until Apple upgraded it for you, either.

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I think this article puts a terrible spin on what is an exciting update. It seems to be some guy whining about an irrelevant issue. If you look at Macsurfer, all the headlines (except this one) are very positive:


And just because an overwhelming majority of the Macintosh rags drink Kool Aid, I should shut up and get in line. No. "See what the majority does - they must be right!" approach is one that I don't foster, and one that I hope a company with the slogan of "Think Different" does not, either. Though, I fear that I may be wrong on that.

- Light.

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Rommel
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Originally posted by Light:
And just because an overwhelming majority of the Macintosh rags drink Kool Aid, I should shut up and get in line. No. "See what the majority does - they must be right!" approach is one that I don't foster, and one that I hope a company with the slogan of "Think Different" does not, either. Though, I fear that I may be wrong on that.


I think Trah was making the point that the SF Chronicle, the LA Times, the AP, Forbes, the New York Post, and Bloomberg all agree that this is A Good Thing, while the only person whinging about it is this guy who runs a weblog somewhere.

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Sierro
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Originally posted by Rommel:
Alternatively, have you considered that just maybe there are people out there who bought their iPods in order to listen to music, something that even the very first ones do almost as well as the new 4th generation?



Probably not many, considering how crummy MP3s sound.

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Bob the Mediocre
I thought it was going to be about iTunes when I opened the topic. So now I'm relieved that I can still use it on my old 5G one.
Wouldn't there not be much room on a mini for a book?

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Rommel
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Originally posted by Bob the Mediocre:
I thought it was going to be about iTunes when I opened the topic. So now I'm relieved that I can still use it on my old 5G one.
Wouldn't there not be much room on a mini for a book?


Voice-only recordings tend to be encoded at a far lower bitrate than music, because the quality doesn't matter so much. Bitrates of 16kbps or 32kbps are not atypical for voice streaming, so I'd assume Audible spoken books would be encoded at a similar rate (32kbps = 14.06MB/hr).

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Originally posted by Sierra:
Probably not many, considering how crummy MP3s sound.



A bit bitter? Honestly, if I have the ipod hooked up to a car stereo or am just listening to it walking around or sitting on the train, I don't notice the difference (even on the 128bit).

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