Answers are welcome!
No offense, though. I just don't see the real meaning in having a gaming console when you can have a comp...
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I give you some good reason, everyone in this giant green and blue worlds aint millonaires that can afford an new computer every 6 month just to be able to play the newest games. A console doesn´t need to be upgraded, the games that you buy will work, so you don´t need to download new version every month. It´s alot more fun to play 4 player games with your friend in the same room instead of playing with people that you don´t know (well it´s has it charm to the fact that I can play with players from around the world).
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Plus you can't play Gran Turismo 3 on a computer. Or Metal Gear Solid, or Soul Calibur, or a lot of other games. My iBook can't run most of the new games anyway.
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The games, console games have more variety than computer games do. Playing console games and computer games are two different experiences.
By the way how would you be forced to play games on a console?
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By the way how would you be forced to play games on a console?
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By the way how would you be forced to play games on a console?
By the way how would you be forced to play games on a console?
Perhaps, if someone came up and held a gun to your head, and said, "Play games on a console."
I've never found any problems with simply running games on my Mac, myself. Computers offer much better control options than your average console, too.
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I've always felt more comfortable playing games on a console. They always seem more fun. The four-player interaction with people actually in the room (Smash Bros. comes to mind) is lot more interesting than playing 8-player Starcraft over the LAN with little interaction.
Also, consoles are more specialized. Designers can make the games optimized for only one hardware system rather than have to include options to turn features off——i.e. only a small subset of the buyers of the game actually reap the full benefits of the programmers' work. Also by optimizing for one hardware setup, you can get better performance for less $$$.
There are more variety of games on the console. I also think that console games are where most of the gaming revolutions will occur, since consoles are where home gaming first began.
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Also, consoles are more specialized. Designers can make the games optimized for only one hardware system rather than have to include options to turn features off——i.e. only a small subset of the buyers of the game actually reap the full benefits of the programmers' work. Also by optimizing for one hardware setup, you can get better performance for less $$$.
There are more variety of games on the console. I also think that console games are where most of the gaming revolutions will occur, since consoles are where home gaming first began.
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Unless you happen to have a 27" computer monitor, you can usually play console games on a larger screen too.
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Originally posted by StarStrafer:
Unless you happen to have a 27" computer monitor, you can usually play console games on a larger screen too.
Unless you happen to have a 27" computer monitor, you can usually play console games on a larger screen too.
Or a projector... =P
Anyways, console > computer simply because of ease. Just buy, stick it in, and play. Most computer games today are windows only, a bitch to meet requirements for, and just don't work because of bugs. Although some games won't work at all for a console, Realmz/Exile/EV simply because of the way it's played, consoles have advantages computers can't match. Consistent speed, guranteed compatibility (unless you buy some pirated made in china crap), and the simplicity of sittin back and playing...
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Or a projector... =P
Anyways, console > computer simply because of ease. Just buy, stick it in, and play. Most computer games today are windows only, a bitch to meet requirements for, and just don't work because of bugs. Although some games won't work at all for a console, Realmz/Exile/EV simply because of the way it's played, consoles have advantages computers can't match. Consistent speed, guranteed compatibility (unless you buy some pirated made in china crap), and the simplicity of sittin back and playing...
PEACE YO!™
Or a projector... =P
Anyways, console > computer simply because of ease. Just buy, stick it in, and play. Most computer games today are windows only, a bitch to meet requirements for, and just don't work because of bugs. Although some games won't work at all for a console, Realmz/Exile/EV simply because of the way it's played, consoles have advantages computers can't match. Consistent speed, guranteed compatibility (unless you buy some pirated made in china crap), and the simplicity of sittin back and playing...
PEACE YO!™
You are right here. But anyways, I'd still go for a computer.
And Desert-rat;
I am no millionaire, I don't buy new gear every six months, and I would phrase it this way;
A console can't be upgraded forcing you to buy another one.
As for having to buy a new comp every six months, you are wrong. Say, if you buy a comp now, or build one, that is, you buy, let's say a good motherboard, a good CPU, a good video card and a large HD, you will be able to use thatone for years. It's a bloated myth that you have to buy new comps every six months to be able to play the newest games. All you really need is;
* Avoid (if buying a PC) pr-built brand machines such as HP, IBM, BRICK etcetera. Build it yourself, and you have a much better one for a much lower price
* Once you have your computer, the most important thing for a gamer is the videocard. Get the newest drivers ASAP, and get a new card about every 2 years, and you'll be able to play most new games quite aceptably.
(example; A friend of mine built his own P2 266 MHz computer, and added a voodoo 2 to it. His computer beat my dad's 500 MHz AMD from Compaq at games such as Myth 2, FutureCop, RedJack, HalfLife, Quake 2 etcetera)
So my lesson to you is;
If you get a PC, build it yourself, or see the money vanish before your eyes.
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Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if you're serious about PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do millions of other people.
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Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if you're serious about [b]PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do millions of other people.
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Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if you're serious about [b]PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do millions of other people.
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I guess it all boils down to what you wanna do. If you are a multiplayer kind of person, like me, you won't want a console. That's for sure. But if you like games like tekken and Gran Turismo.
But that's not me. Not at all.
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I guess it all boils down to what you wanna do. If you are a multiplayer kind of person, like me, you won't want a console. That's for sure. But if you like games like tekken and Gran Turismo.
But that's not me. Not at all.
WW
I guess it all boils down to what you wanna do. If you are a multiplayer kind of person, like me, you won't want a console. That's for sure. But if you like games like tekken and Gran Turismo.
But that's not me. Not at all.
WW
Who said that you can´t play multiplayer games on consoles?
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Who said that you can´t play multiplayer games on consoles?
Who said that you can´t play multiplayer games on consoles?
I know that you can. But it's really quite unsatisfactory. Usually, you'll have to have split screen, or you need those hand-held ones with monitors about five inches large. Some games, I guess, can be played over a connection with other ones, but really, can you compare it to PC??? I should guess that you can't. Where's StarCraft? Where's Myth? Where are all the strategy games? Where is Q3, HL, CS or any other shoot-em-up worthy of more than a scarce glance? And, ofcourse; Where are the classics??? Where's Alien Attack, Marathon and Slithereens?
However, I admit defeat in this aerea; Arcade games and car simulators. They are often superior on consoles.
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Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if you're serious about PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do millions of other people.
Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if you're serious about PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do millions of other people.
Well. What can I say??? Go for the console, then! I agree that playing really fun games is what it is all about. So if you really think console games are the best, I see no reason not to go for one. After all, playing games I consider the most fun is the reason why I chose computers before consoles.
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>Who said that you can´t play multiplayer games on consoles?
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>I know that you can. But it's really quite unsatisfactory. Usually, you'll have to have >split screen, or you need those hand-held ones with monitors about five inches large. >Some games, I guess, can be played over a connection with other ones, but really, can >you compare it to PC??? I should guess that you can't. Where's StarCraft? Where's Myth? >Where are all the strategy games? Where is Q3, HL, CS or any other shoot-em-up worthy of >more than a scarce glance? And, ofcourse; Where are the classics??? Where's Alien >Attack, Marathon and Slithereens?
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>However, I admit defeat in this aerea; Arcade games and car simulators. They are often >superior on consoles.
Ahem. First of all, there are MANY multiplayer games that don't require a split-screen mode, and they are great. And even when it is split-screen, the designer has usually made it into a format suitable for gameplay, and doesn't detract much from the gaming experience. Then, you say, no MMOGs. Well, yes, SO FAR, but they are working on this with the next-gen consoles and (possibly, though very unlikely) could surpass the PC one day in that category. Right now, the best way to go for that is a PC. And strategy games? StarCraft was released on a console, but I never played it so I don't know how it ranks to the original. There are a few strategy games available, if you know where to look. Shoot-'em-ups? They may not have Q3, HL, and CS but they have their own set of shoot-em'-ups that rank well against the PC favorites. It all depens on which game you prefer, really. And classics? I could say the same for PC! Where's Zelda? Where's Mario? Where's Sonic and FF and all of those other classics? Granted, a few have been released, but they never compared to the originals. And as far as "Slithereens" being a classic, well...
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>Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if >you're serious about PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a >similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm >not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video >games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to >bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do >millions of other people.
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?Well. What can I say??? Go for the console, then! I agree that playing really fun games >is what it is all about. So if you really think console games are the best, I see no >reason not to go for one. After all, playing games I consider the most fun is the reason >why I chose computers before consoles.
Very well, if you like consoles none of us can change your mind. But don't ask why we'd willingly play one; you probably had a bad experience or two. But it seems to me if you want to play games exclusively, a console is the way to go. Cheaper, same-or-better quality, and reasonable prices for addons. You don't have dozens of different configurations to choose from, or thousands of DLLs to install (in a PC's case). Just a console, perhaps a memory add-on as in the N64, and four controllers (and multitap if playing PS or PS2), and no more equipment is ever required. Although, I suppose someone could say the same about PC...
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>Who said that you can´t play multiplayer games on consoles?
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>I know that you can. But it's really quite unsatisfactory. Usually, you'll have to have >split screen, or you need those hand-held ones with monitors about five inches large. >Some games, I guess, can be played over a connection with other ones, but really, can >you compare it to PC??? I should guess that you can't. Where's StarCraft? Where's Myth? >Where are all the strategy games? Where is Q3, HL, CS or any other shoot-em-up worthy of >more than a scarce glance? And, ofcourse; Where are the classics??? Where's Alien >Attack, Marathon and Slithereens?
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>However, I admit defeat in this aerea; Arcade games and car simulators. They are often >superior on consoles.
Ahem. First of all, there are MANY multiplayer games that don't require a split-screen mode, and they are great. And even when it is split-screen, the designer has usually made it into a format suitable for gameplay, and doesn't detract much from the gaming experience. Then, you say, no MMOGs. Well, yes, SO FAR, but they are working on this with the next-gen consoles and (possibly, though very unlikely) could surpass the PC one day in that category. Right now, the best way to go for that is a PC. And strategy games? StarCraft was released on a console, but I never played it so I don't know how it ranks to the original. There are a few strategy games available, if you know where to look. Shoot-'em-ups? They may not have Q3, HL, and CS but they have their own set of shoot-em'-ups that rank well against the PC favorites. It all depens on which game you prefer, really. And classics? I could say the same for PC! Where's Zelda? Where's Mario? Where's Sonic and FF and all of those other classics? Granted, a few have been released, but they never compared to the originals. And as far as "Slithereens" being a classic, well...
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>Yeah, but that assumes you want a PC. Which, of course, is really the only way to go if >you're serious about PC gaming. Or you could get a console for $300–$400 less and have a >similar hardware configuration and play really fun games, which is really the point. I'm >not bagging on computer games, but they are just a subset of the larger set of all video >games, which includes arcades, consoles, and PC games. I don't think it's really fair to >bash on any one member. I personally find console games to be more fun, and so do >millions of other people.
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?Well. What can I say??? Go for the console, then! I agree that playing really fun games >is what it is all about. So if you really think console games are the best, I see no >reason not to go for one. After all, playing games I consider the most fun is the reason >why I chose computers before consoles.
Very well, if you like consoles none of us can change your mind. But don't ask why we'd willingly play one; you probably had a bad experience or two. But it seems to me if you want to play games exclusively, a console is the way to go. Cheaper, same-or-better quality, and reasonable prices for addons. You don't have dozens of different configurations to choose from, or thousands of DLLs to install (in a PC's case). Just a console, perhaps a memory add-on as in the N64, and four controllers (and multitap if playing PS or PS2), and no more equipment is ever required. Although, I suppose someone could say the same about PC...
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Ahem. First of all, there are MANY multiplayer games that don't require a split-screen mode, and they are great. And even when it is split-screen, the designer has usually made it into a format suitable for gameplay, and doesn't detract much from the gaming experience. Then, you say, no MMOGs. Well, yes, SO FAR, but they are working on this with the next-gen consoles and (possibly, though very unlikely) could surpass the PC one day in that category. Right now, the best way to go for that is a PC. And strategy games? StarCraft was released on a console, but I never played it so I don't know how it ranks to the original. There are a few strategy games available, if you know where to look. Shoot-'em-ups? They may not have Q3, HL, and CS but they have their own set of shoot-em'-ups that rank well against the PC favorites. It all depens on which game you prefer, really. And classics? I could say the same for PC! Where's Zelda? Where's Mario? Where's Sonic and FF and all of those other classics? Granted, a few have been released, but they never compared to the originals. And as far as "Slithereens" being a classic, well...
Ahem. First of all, there are MANY multiplayer games that don't require a split-screen mode, and they are great. And even when it is split-screen, the designer has usually made it into a format suitable for gameplay, and doesn't detract much from the gaming experience. Then, you say, no MMOGs. Well, yes, SO FAR, but they are working on this with the next-gen consoles and (possibly, though very unlikely) could surpass the PC one day in that category. Right now, the best way to go for that is a PC. And strategy games? StarCraft was released on a console, but I never played it so I don't know how it ranks to the original. There are a few strategy games available, if you know where to look. Shoot-'em-ups? They may not have Q3, HL, and CS but they have their own set of shoot-em'-ups that rank well against the PC favorites. It all depens on which game you prefer, really. And classics? I could say the same for PC! Where's Zelda? Where's Mario? Where's Sonic and FF and all of those other classics? Granted, a few have been released, but they never compared to the originals. And as far as "Slithereens" being a classic, well...
Zelda? Mario? Hmmm. Search the web, you'll find them. I did. Emulation rules big time! As for classical shoot-em-ups, you mean DOOM? Wolfenstein? Dude! I've seen them for PS, but, man! They are old!
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Originally posted by coreycubed:
Very well, if you like consoles none of us can change your mind. But don't ask why we'd willingly play one; you probably had a bad experience or two. But it seems to me if you want to play games exclusively, a console is the way to go. Cheaper, same-or-better quality, and reasonable prices for addons. You don't have dozens of different configurations to choose from, or thousands of DLLs to install (in a PC's case). Just a console, perhaps a memory add-on as in the N64, and four controllers (and multitap if playing PS or PS2), and no more equipment is ever required. Although, I suppose someone could say the same about PC...
Very well, if you like consoles none of us can change your mind. But don't ask why we'd willingly play one; you probably had a bad experience or two. But it seems to me if you want to play games exclusively, a console is the way to go. Cheaper, same-or-better quality, and reasonable prices for addons. You don't have dozens of different configurations to choose from, or thousands of DLLs to install (in a PC's case). Just a console, perhaps a memory add-on as in the N64, and four controllers (and multitap if playing PS or PS2), and no more equipment is ever required. Although, I suppose someone could say the same about PC...
Precisely why I hate them. Too easy to configure, too little to upgrade and too low level of control. Then again, a regular windows box is quite chaotic... But introduce lindows ( www.lindows.com ), and you get rid of that. As for the quality, I would not say that graphics equivalent to a PC monitor's settings of 256 colors (8bit, maybe they have some that can display 16bit, but at 512x384... well...) and a resolution equivalent in quality to 512 by 384 @ 60 - 100Hz is anything to be all happy about. Fact is, for those settings, I'm surprised the graphics are not even better Besides, introducing gamers to consoles, I am afraid that Cathedral will rule the game development once again, killing share - and freeware, and raising prices of games. Ofcourse, the abscence of pirating makes the prices go down, so you have one factor pro low prices, and one pro high. CounterStrike, the HalfLife mod would not have been possible in a cathedral world, and CS is the reason HL is as popular as it is.
StarCraft on a console? What a nightmare! Where did all the commands go? Nah! Call me old fashioned, but I simply love the keyboard and expandable computers with good "old" 1280 by 1024 resolution at 74Hz @ 32bit color. Now THAT is better! Or, if you need a good VR view to beat the crap out of consoles some of Matrox's cards come with that, at no cost. Put those on, and even at 640x480 they beat anything if you set the frequency to 100Hz and the color to 32 bit. That'll give you a VR experience unlike most. Play Q3 on THAT!, and name the console to beat it!
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Zelda? Mario? Hmmm. Search the web, you'll find them. I did. Emulation rules big time!
Zelda? Mario? Hmmm. Search the web, you'll find them. I did. Emulation rules big time!
*coughillegalcough* If I wanted to break the law, I'd do that.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
As for classical shoot-em-ups, you mean DOOM? Wolfenstein? Dude! I've seen them for PS, but, man! They are old!
As for classical shoot-em-ups, you mean DOOM? Wolfenstein? Dude! I've seen them for PS, but, man! They are old!
Indeed they are. Which is why I don'y play them.
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Precisely why I hate them. Too easy to configure, too little to upgrade and too low level of control. Then again, a regular windows box is quite chaotic... But introduce lindows ( www.lindows.com ), and you get rid of that. As for the quality, I would not say that graphics equivalent to a PC monitor's settings of 256 colors (8bit, maybe they have some that can display 16bit, but at 512x384... well...) and a resolution equivalent in quality to 512 by 384 @ 60 - 100Hz is anything to be all happy about. Fact is, for those settings, I'm surprised the graphics are not even better Besides, introducing gamers to consoles, I am afraid that Cathedral will rule the game development once again, killing share - and freeware, and raising prices of games. Ofcourse, the abscence of pirating makes the prices go down, so you have one factor pro low prices, and one pro high. CounterStrike, the HalfLife mod would not have been possible in a cathedral world, and CS is the reason HL is as popular as it is.
StarCraft on a console? What a nightmare! Where did all the commands go? Nah! Call me old fashioned, but I simply love the keyboard and expandable computers with good "old" 1280 by 1024 resolution at 74Hz @ 32bit color. Now THAT is better! Or, if you need a good VR view to beat the crap out of consoles some of Matrox's cards come with that, at no cost. Put those on, and even at 640x480 they beat anything if you set the frequency to 100Hz and the color to 32 bit. That'll give you a VR experience unlike most. Play Q3 on THAT!, and name the console to beat it!
WW
Precisely why I hate them. Too easy to configure, too little to upgrade and too low level of control. Then again, a regular windows box is quite chaotic... But introduce lindows ( www.lindows.com ), and you get rid of that. As for the quality, I would not say that graphics equivalent to a PC monitor's settings of 256 colors (8bit, maybe they have some that can display 16bit, but at 512x384... well...) and a resolution equivalent in quality to 512 by 384 @ 60 - 100Hz is anything to be all happy about. Fact is, for those settings, I'm surprised the graphics are not even better Besides, introducing gamers to consoles, I am afraid that Cathedral will rule the game development once again, killing share - and freeware, and raising prices of games. Ofcourse, the abscence of pirating makes the prices go down, so you have one factor pro low prices, and one pro high. CounterStrike, the HalfLife mod would not have been possible in a cathedral world, and CS is the reason HL is as popular as it is.
StarCraft on a console? What a nightmare! Where did all the commands go? Nah! Call me old fashioned, but I simply love the keyboard and expandable computers with good "old" 1280 by 1024 resolution at 74Hz @ 32bit color. Now THAT is better! Or, if you need a good VR view to beat the crap out of consoles some of Matrox's cards come with that, at no cost. Put those on, and even at 640x480 they beat anything if you set the frequency to 100Hz and the color to 32 bit. That'll give you a VR experience unlike most. Play Q3 on THAT!, and name the console to beat it!
WW
Umm...so you are saying that Q3 on a relatively high end PC could not compare to the quality of a console? Let's take a next-gen console (doesn't really matter which - PS2, XBOX, or GCN), get it with a relatively good TV set (maybe 38-45"), hook up component video and plug the rest into your stereo system. Actually, the computer is probably cheaper...but who doesn't have at least one OK TV set and a nominal stereo system? I'm no high-end user but even I have a 40" or larger TV and a fairly decent stereo system. The lot was probably less than $400. And that's counting the DVD player...
But I agree, a computer souped up at low cost could compare well to a television with a next-gen console and some semblance of a stereo system.Oh, one thing I forgot to add...I bet StarCraft sucked on the N64; I was just mentioning the fact that it had been ported.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
Well. What can I say??? Go for the console, then! I agree that playing really fun games is what it is all about. So if you really think console games are the best, I see no reason not to go for one. After all, playing games I consider the most fun is the reason why I chose computers before consoles.
Well. What can I say??? Go for the console, then! I agree that playing really fun games is what it is all about. So if you really think console games are the best, I see no reason not to go for one. After all, playing games I consider the most fun is the reason why I chose computers before consoles.
Which is a valid point. Not all computer games would work on a console. If a game could work on both, I would choose the console. (but prob. still get it for the comp in case the TV was in use.)
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*coughillegalcough* If I wanted to break the law, I'd do that.
As far as I hav eunderstood, it is not illegal to emulate software you own. So, if I own an old Super Mario cartridge, and my SNES is broken, I actually don't break a law by emulating it. If I am not mistaken. I might be, but I seriously think I am right on that matter.
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This is actually a fuzzy area. Most video game manuals in the back inform you that it is illegal to make any unauthorized duplication of any kind.
It is pretty standard in the internet community to make up laws like "delete after 24 hours," etc.
—Tim
PS: the fact that you'd want to emulate console games means that you see their value and that they're fun. However, emulation is a real pain, and is never as fun as playing the game on the actual console.
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It is pretty standard in the internet community to make up laws like "delete after 24 hours," etc.
—Tim
PS: the fact that you'd want to emulate console games means that you see their value and that they're fun. However, emulation is a real pain, and is never as fun as playing the game on the actual console.
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Originally posted by Myriad:
Plus you can't play Gran Turismo 3 on a computer.
Plus you can't play Gran Turismo 3 on a computer.
Good point!
It is illegal. I have read legal statements, saying that use of emulators is illegal. However, it was several months ago when I read those, and I may have forgotten the "fine print"...
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And besides the fact that it is illegal. emulation is much slower that the real thing.
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Originally posted by Desert-Rat:
And besides the fact that it is illegal. emulation is much slower that the real thing.
And besides the fact that it is illegal. emulation is much slower that the real thing.
Not true. Emulation is actually dependant on the speed of your machine. I emulate a SNES on my G3 400 and all of the games I have played run faster than on the SNES itself. And of course, most emulators have an 'accelerate' button which causes the game to play at double speed. Emulators tend to be faster, depending of course upon the emulator used.
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I wasn´t exactly refering to old snes games I was thinking about N64 and dreamcast games.
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Well, since we're talking about emulation...
I'm not a fan of Nintendo, but I do know, as may some of you, that the GameCube uses a custom PowerPC processor, the 'Gecko'. In the future, I would not be surprised if Mac could emulate GameCube games with startling ease. The biggest problem with this of course is the fact that GameCube uses a diffent media type than a CD, and wouldn't work in a CD-ROM drive. Still, one can hope.
I'm still going to stick with my PS2 though, and I wouldn't touch the X-Box with a ten foot pole while wearing a radiation suit.
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I'm not a fan of Nintendo, but I do know, as may some of you, that the GameCube uses a custom PowerPC processor, the 'Gecko'. In the future, I would not be surprised if Mac could emulate GameCube games with startling ease. The biggest problem with this of course is the fact that GameCube uses a diffent media type than a CD, and wouldn't work in a CD-ROM drive. Still, one can hope.
I'm still going to stick with my PS2 though, and I wouldn't touch the X-Box with a ten foot pole while wearing a radiation suit.
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Originally posted by Myriad:
...The biggest problem with this of course is the fact that GameCube uses a diffent media type than a CD, and wouldn't work in a CD-ROM drive...
...The biggest problem with this of course is the fact that GameCube uses a diffent media type than a CD, and wouldn't work in a CD-ROM drive...
Thank goodness for that.
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Originally posted by coreycubed:
It [b]is illegal. I have read legal statements, saying that use of emulators is illegal. However, it was several months ago when I read those, and I may have forgotten the "fine print"...
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It [b]is illegal. I have read legal statements, saying that use of emulators is illegal. However, it was several months ago when I read those, and I may have forgotten the "fine print"...
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Well... If emulation is illegal... How about Soft PC??? Haha!!!
Nah. I'm just kidding. I know that's another story. But, man, why is emulationn illegal??? Mostly, people emulate because the original platform is unavailable due to old age. The producers of the consoles loose nothing! Fact is, as far as I can see it, emulation of old games makes people remember how consoles used to be, and might light some wish to try it anew.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
But, man, why is emulationn illegal??? Mostly, people emulate because the original platform is unavailable due to old age. The producers of the consoles loose nothing! Fact is, as far as I can see it, emulation of old games makes people remember how consoles used to be, and might light some wish to try it anew.
WW
But, man, why is emulationn illegal??? Mostly, people emulate because the original platform is unavailable due to old age. The producers of the consoles loose nothing! Fact is, as far as I can see it, emulation of old games makes people remember how consoles used to be, and might light some wish to try it anew.
WW
That's not the point. The copyrights still exist, regardless. Just because the platform is unavailable doesn't mean you can rip it off anyway you like. And as for emulating old consoles, well, if I emulated that would be all I would do, but many people emulate N64, PS2, DC, etc. and those consoles are still selling strong. Speaking of newer consoles, I just remembered one of the stronger reasons that emulating is illegal. The companies that make those games often re-release them. Have you ever heard of Mario DX, Super Mario Advance, or Super Mario Advance 2? They are all classics ported to the GBC and GBA. Then there's Atari, who's still making money off of Centipede, Pong, and Frogger...
So you see...emulating is illegal, regardless of what you think, just like marijuana. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, or whether or not you want ot break it, is up to you.
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[quote]Originally posted by coreycubed:
So you see...emulating is illegal, regardless of what you think, just like marijuana. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, or whether or not you want ot break it, is up to you. /Edit]
[This message has been edited by Tarnælion Andiyarus (edited 10-30-2001).]
So you see...emulating is illegal, regardless of what you think, just like marijuana. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, or whether or not you want ot break it, is up to you.
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Originally posted by coreycubed:
That's not the point. The copyrights still exist, regardless. Just because the platform is unavailable doesn't mean you can rip it off anyway you like. And as for emulating old consoles, well, if I emulated that would be all I would do, but many people emulate N64, PS2, DC, etc. and those consoles are still selling strong. Speaking of newer consoles, I just remembered one of the stronger reasons that emulating is illegal. The companies that make those games often re-release them. Have you ever heard of Mario DX, Super Mario Advance, or Super Mario Advance 2? They are all classics ported to the GBC and GBA. Then there's Atari, who's still making money off of Centipede, Pong, and Frogger...
So you see...emulating is illegal, regardless of what you think, just like marijuana. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, or whether or not you want ot break it, is up to you.
That's not the point. The copyrights still exist, regardless. Just because the platform is unavailable doesn't mean you can rip it off anyway you like. And as for emulating old consoles, well, if I emulated that would be all I would do, but many people emulate N64, PS2, DC, etc. and those consoles are still selling strong. Speaking of newer consoles, I just remembered one of the stronger reasons that emulating is illegal. The companies that make those games often re-release them. Have you ever heard of Mario DX, Super Mario Advance, or Super Mario Advance 2? They are all classics ported to the GBC and GBA. Then there's Atari, who's still making money off of Centipede, Pong, and Frogger...
So you see...emulating is illegal, regardless of what you think, just like marijuana. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, or whether or not you want ot break it, is up to you.
I have to echo Tarnælion Andiyarus's words on this.
I know emulation of games you do not own is illegal, but if you own a copy of the game... Why should it be illegal? I mean, you *can* run a copy of EV on a PC if yo wish. I doubt Andrew would sue you. All Ambrosia cares about is that you like the game, and register it. As is it with all software producers in the computer world. They generally don't care at all what hardware you use, as long as you own a legal copy of the game, and follow the guidelines (usually states that the application can be installed and used at only one computer at a time)
But it does not say;
"You need this'n that motherboard, so and so processor and a HD this or that size with this not that OS installed. Else, you'll break the law!"
By the way;
I'm glad marihuana is illegal. As with software, more (read ALL) people should attempt to follow the laws. They are made for our own collective as well as individual good.
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First off, if the SNES console is no longer in production, the SNES games would be out of production as well, raising the question of how you got an SNES game without an SNES, unless you have one. Secondly, if I feel like playing a console game meant to be played on a console (Super Smash Bros., Goldeneye, Zelda) I'll go and play my N64. But if I feel like going and kicking some guy's ass on SC over b.net, I go to my comp. It all comes down to what you want to do. There is SC for N64, but it's nowhere near original SC. No b.net, no Editor, no custom scenarios, bad graphics, split-screen multiplayer, and worker units (SCV/Drone/Probes) are automatically sent to harvest once you build them which gets real annoying if with Zerg if you're trying to gets a large number of Sunken/Spores very quickly. I personally am looking forward to buying a Gamecube; PowerPC processor, smooth 128-bit graphics, and the built-in DVD player (much like the PS2, don't ya think?). It's true, you can't get stuff like EV or HalfLife on a console, but in the case of a GBA; SNES-quality graphics right in your pocket anywhere you go
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Originally posted by ESPilot:
I personally am looking forward to buying a Gamecube; PowerPC processor, smooth 128-bit graphics, and the built-in DVD player (much like the PS2, don't ya think?). It's true, you can't get stuff like EV or HalfLife on a console, but in the case of a GBA; SNES-quality graphics right in your pocket anywhere you go
I personally am looking forward to buying a Gamecube; PowerPC processor, smooth 128-bit graphics, and the built-in DVD player (much like the PS2, don't ya think?). It's true, you can't get stuff like EV or HalfLife on a console, but in the case of a GBA; SNES-quality graphics right in your pocket anywhere you go
I agree about the GBA, but you missed one critical detail; the GameCube will not play DVDs. It is solely a gaming machine. Of the current next-gen consoles, only PS2 and Xbox will play DVDs. Of course, the DVD playback kit is extra...
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Hmm...Last I heard the Gamecube could play DVD's, but it does have a GBA adapter, and this is from the official Gamecube home page:
Can't beat that with a stick...
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COMING!
56k Modem Adapter
COMING
Broadband Internet Adapter
Potential uses for these devices are still in the planning stages, but the Nintendo Gamecube is fully capable of supporting online gaming
56k Modem Adapter
COMING
Broadband Internet Adapter
Potential uses for these devices are still in the planning stages, but the Nintendo Gamecube is fully capable of supporting online gaming
Can't beat that with a stick...
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Originally posted by coreycubed:
I agree about the GBA, but you missed one critical detail; the GameCube will not play DVDs. It is solely a gaming machine. Of the current next-gen consoles, only PS2 and Xbox will play DVDs. Of course, the DVD playback kit is extra...
I agree about the GBA, but you missed one critical detail; the GameCube will not play DVDs. It is solely a gaming machine. Of the current next-gen consoles, only PS2 and Xbox will play DVDs. Of course, the DVD playback kit is extra...
I don't think it is all that critical. You can buy DVD players. The critical points of a game console are things that actually pertain to the games.
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Originally posted by ESPilot:
Can't beat that with a stick...
Can't beat that with a stick...
Acutally you can beat it with a Dreamcast which already has both of those things and the games to use them with.
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But I doubt Dreamcast has an adapter for a handheld console, 128 bit graphics, and a Gamecube is about half as big as a Dreamcast...
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Consoles almost never crash, run out of memory, or perform any of the other things computers are famous for doing. They are simpler to set up and simpler to use. You can play them on any television. Consoles are complete systems that can play games with great graphics for the same price it would cost for a computer graphics card that can play the same games with the same quality graphics. They come with controllers. You can't (legally) play Zelda on the computer. You get the point; consoles are made to play games, and it shows.
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Gamecube will be realesed in 2 versions one without dvd an one with. The one with dvd player will have the same price as PS2. Besides why watch dvd on consoles when you can by an dvd player?
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Gamecube will be realesed in 2 versions one without dvd an one with. The one with dvd player will have the same price as PS2. Besides why watch dvd on consoles when you can by an dvd player?
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Originally posted by ESPilot:
But I doubt Dreamcast has an adapter for a handheld console
But I doubt Dreamcast has an adapter for a handheld console
Where's the Gamecube's VMU?
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Originally posted by ESPilot:
128 bit graphics
128 bit graphics
Actually it does have 128 bit graphics.
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Originally posted by ESPilot:
and a Gamecube is about half as big as a Dreamcast...
and a Gamecube is about half as big as a Dreamcast...
But a Dreamcast costs less than half as much. Besides, where are you going to take it with you. Its not even like the Dreamcast is that big, anyway.
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The Legend Of Zelda.
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I suppose when it comes down to it, we don't have room for mistakes. We do, until we don't. Then the game ends. It was fun. At times.
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I suppose when it comes down to it, we don't have room for mistakes. We do, until we don't. Then the game ends. It was fun. At times.
Musn't forget Super Smash Bros.
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Reasons to have a computer;
WarCraft 2, StarCraft (playable version), Civilization 1, 2 and 3, Colonization, Alpha Centauri, HalfLife w. mods, Unreal Tournament w. mods, freeware, shareware, text editors, programming applications, OS upgradres,Multiboot options, emulation, personalisation and many, MAAAANY more games and applications features and wrath incurring, though IQ hightening, events/errors and solutions.
Using a computer will give you knowledge which is useful, and valuable. Does a console do that? Maybe some games. But far from as many as the computer can offer.
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WarCraft 2, StarCraft (playable version
), Civilization 1, 2 and 3, Colonization, Alpha Centauri, HalfLife w. mods, Unreal Tournament w. mods, freeware, shareware, text editors, programming applications, OS upgradres,Multiboot options, emulation, personalisation and many, MAAAANY more games and applications features and wrath incurring, though IQ hightening, events/errors and solutions.Using a computer will give you knowledge which is useful, and valuable. Does a console do that? Maybe some games. But far from as many as the computer can offer.
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Don´t forget all the virus and bugs
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
Answers are welcome!
No offense, though. I just don't see the real meaning in having a gaming console when you can have a comp...
Answers are welcome!
No offense, though. I just don't see the real meaning in having a gaming console when you can have a comp...
Two words: Final Fantsy.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
Reasons to have a computer;
WarCraft 2, StarCraft (playable version), Civilization 1, 2 and 3, Colonization, Alpha Centauri, HalfLife w. mods, Unreal Tournament w. mods...
Reasons to have a computer;
WarCraft 2, StarCraft (playable version
), Civilization 1, 2 and 3, Colonization, Alpha Centauri, HalfLife w. mods, Unreal Tournament w. mods...I could name many good console only games too.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
...freeware, shareware, text editors, programming applications, OS upgradres,Multiboot options...
...freeware, shareware, text editors, programming applications, OS upgradres,Multiboot options...
You seem to miss the point that consoles are for playing games. For all those other non-game things you like about a computer is why you pay the extra money for one.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
...emulation, personalisation...
...emulation, personalisation...
Actually, there are emulators for consoles as well. And ways to personalize and customize one.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
wrath incurring, though IQ hightening, events/errors and solutions.
Using a computer will give you knowledge which is useful, and valuable. Does a console do that?
wrath incurring, though IQ hightening, events/errors and solutions.
Using a computer will give you knowledge which is useful, and valuable. Does a console do that?
People do not buy consoles(well at least I don't think so) for headaches or knowledge. People buy consoles to play games, and that's what consoles do best.
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Originally posted by WebWarrior:
Maybe some games. But far from as many as the computer can offer.
Maybe some games. But far from as many as the computer can offer.
It seems to me that the decent fun games only on PCs to decent fun games only on consoles ratio is at least equal if not more for consoles.
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I might play console games, except that I have neither the money nor the time to do that and play computer games and work on EV plug-ins and create a CS rpg. Console games also seem to go up in price by about $20 every time a new console is released. It was next to impossible to find one of the really good N64 games for less than $50 not too long ago when standard computer game price is like $30.
To the emulation discussion, I would like to add that the reason I emulate SNES games is that I can no longer get these games anywhere. Believe me, I spent a lot of the past few years trying. Eventually I did find one or two titles I was looking for, but what I really want are Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid... Also, if you want to play Secret of Mana 2, the only way is through a translated ROM unless you can read Japanese, which makes me mad.
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"No response."
To the emulation discussion, I would like to add that the reason I emulate SNES games is that I can no longer get these games anywhere. Believe me, I spent a lot of the past few years trying. Eventually I did find one or two titles I was looking for, but what I really want are Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid... Also, if you want to play Secret of Mana 2, the only way is through a translated ROM unless you can read Japanese, which makes me mad.
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"No response."
Right now it seems that console games and PC games are roughly equal in price. Starting price is usually somewhere around $50.
As for finding old SNES games, just go to ebay.
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As for finding old SNES games, just go to ebay.
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Originally posted by Defender:
Right now it seems that console games and PC games are roughly equal in price. Starting price is usually somewhere around $50.
As for finding old SNES games, just go to ebay.
Right now it seems that console games and PC games are roughly equal in price. Starting price is usually somewhere around $50.
As for finding old SNES games, just go to ebay.
Whenever I buy a new game, I tend to spend $20-40, and many thanks for the ebay tip.
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Originally posted by Defender:
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Allright. I guess I'll just have to accept defeat... Ther are computer people around (like me) who likes headaches and the whole control shebang. and there are cosole people, like you, obviously. And apparentely, it's like the mac-pc conflict. Neither side will admit defeat.
I can but quote the chinese;
There's my truth, your thruth and the truth...
And the truth is; Dungeons and Dragons rulez!!!!!!!
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Oh, two more words, and a number: Gran Turismo 3.
Oh, two more words, and a number: Gran Turismo 3.
Depending on how you look at it, that might actually be three words
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