I believe that I am now officially the last person on Earth to purchase StarCraft... BestBuy had the Battle Chest (StarCraft + Brood War + strategy guides for both) for a mere $19.99, and I couldn't resist. It's a great game of course (especially with the OS X release), but I see a problem: Anyone have any idea where I can find online opponents who don't already have 3-5 years of experience schooling the likes of me at this game?

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The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens. - Bahá'u'lláh
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There's always me! (Really, I stink.) I'm 'Droideka202"

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"Hmm? Defense fleet? What defense fleet? I haven't seen any defense fleet around here. Just radioactive debris."-me
"If it's not on fire, it's a software problem"-Matthew Burch
Just guess
Ooooooooooh,Ahhhhhhhh!

I played it for the first time today. I don't own it. Heh, I think I'm good at that game...

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How many levels did you beat and how long did you play?

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"Hmm? Defense fleet? What defense fleet? I haven't seen any defense fleet around here. Just radioactive debris."-me
"If it's not on fire, it's a software problem"-Matthew Burch
Just guess
Ooooooooooh,Ahhhhhhhh!

Glenn my boy, I can teach you, if you want. Drop me a line at robs17aol.com, and we can go online sometime.. I've taught many of my friends from school how to play and most are at better than average levels, even for battle.net..

_bomb

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"And to all the enemies of humanity, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through....
....No matter the cost."

I may ask you sometime, too, if you don't mind.

I see you quoted Mengsk little inauguration speech.

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"Hmm? Defense fleet? What defense fleet? I haven't seen any defense fleet around here. Just radioactive debris."-me
"If it's not on fire, it's a software problem"-Matthew Burch
Just guess
Ooooooooooh,Ahhhhhhhh!

Gotta love that cinematic. Just awesome story telling.

Yeah, no prob. Anytime.

_bomb

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"And to all the enemies of humanity, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through....
....No matter the cost."

I'm [this is old, ignore it] on Battle.net, if you ever see me on, it would be fun to play a game together. My skill changes, as sometimes I play a lot, and sometimes little, but seeing as I haven't played in a long time I will probably be worse than usual. There should be a room for members of the ASW boards; anyone know if one exists?

-Yorick

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If you want to find newbies on battle.net, try making a public game. Almost all good SC players play private passworded ones, so if you host a game on a Blizz map another newbie will join. If you want to get any good at SC, don't play stupid maps like BGH and fastest ever-they require no skill.

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#2 on MaG Ares season 1

Thanks for the offer; I'll have to take you up on it some day when I'm back at school and free from this insanely lousy AOL dialup connection. I think I should probably finish at least most of the game single-player first, though. (I've only had time to play up to Terran level 8 so far, what with work and all.)

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The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens. - Bahá'u'lláh
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I beat...5-6 levels, it became a haze after a while. How long did I play? I'm not sure. AAAAAAAH!!! The Zerg are back!!! RUN!!!!

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You know a company's products rule when people still buy and play their (much) older games... I personally think WC3 is much better than Starcraft but I've played a game or two of both SC and WC2 since I've gotten WC3. And daiblo2 and diablo1 rule too.

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"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one"
-Thomas Jefferson

I'm "Mac12" on battle.net and i'm on level 10 on the terran campain non expantion(sp?) but i have the expantion(sp?). But i'v had starcraft for about 1 1/2 years.

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heh heh heh

[This message has been edited by Mac12 (edited 08-01-2002).]

I've never been able to get pst the last Terran mission without cheating...I used the strat in the guide, but I got my ass kicked even worse than when I used mine. Anyone else have a good strategy for that level?

My friend has had Starcraft for a few years, and is borrowing Brood War from me. He beat SC without cheats in two days, and Brood War in 10 hours.

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yes there is #ev3 on irc.ambrosia.net

That's true, but I think what he means in a channel on battle.net. Actually, I usually meet in channel ev3 on battle.net when I get together with people from #ev3 to play WarCraft 3. There are never any active chats there though... it's mostly just a place to go and decide what type of game you want to do, etc.. #ev3 on irc.ambrosia.net is for chatting, however.

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Umm it's much easier to find ASW people to play with on #ev3 than on battle.net, at least until you have added some ASW people to your /friends list

Heh, and they're usually never on. I'm OoC_Kuririn on east, and MAD)LoS3r on europe.

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And you complain my name is a pain to type.

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"Yes."

I'm on B.net a lot, and I'm always up for games. I may talk to Bomb about a little coaching though...

I play on USEast under the name "zosa"

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Just turtle up in your starting base and mass BCs with as many upgrades as you can get for em, 3/3 if possible. Place an outpost on top of each ramp with 3-4 seige tanks, a bunker of 4 rines and a missile turret or two. comsat on top of the red dot when they try to nuke you. Then, once you've used all your cash, send all your bcs straight to the Ion Cannon while avoiding the enemy bases. blow up the defenses and Yamoto the cannon. Don't forget to bring a Vessel or 2 along to detect ghosts/wraiths.

This strategy works on pretty much any terran mission where you have full tech

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Well, that works OK so far - I've got the base well defended, I'm out of Vespene, and I have a set of 6 fully souped up Battlecruisers with a Science Vessel escort. But then:



There must be more than you're telling me. As soon as my fleet gets to the "island" where the Ion Cannon is, they get EMPed by a science vessel which darts in, zaps, and retreats before I even have time to fire back. Bam - no Yamato for my entire fleet. Then dropships bring in half a dozen Ghosts, and before you can say "Lockdown" it's over. Even if I try to just dash past the defenses rather than fighting back, I only manage to get in a half dozen laser shots at the Ion Cannon before they have my entire fleet on lockdown. So what am I not doing that you forgot to told me?

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If you want a swift victory, you're method will work, but it's best to break through the outer defenses before going directly for the cannon. The following strategy works well if you're willing to put some more time into the mission and prefer to wage more of an all-out war.

I strongly suggest securing the ridge to the Northeast of your starting position. It has a wealth of minerals and gas, and the land itself is high ground with only limited ground access, so it's quite defensible. Build and fortify a second base there, and you should have enough resources to get all the tech upgrades.

While this is happening, send two Battlecruisers up the left side of the map and have them work at gradually weakening the base there, one building at a time. Save their Yamato guns for missile turrets, and for other buildings, order them to attack, and once they are in position and firing on the building, change their orders to "hold position," so that they will continue firing upon the building but destroy any reinforcement units that come in. Be sure to have them retreat for repairs once they fall below 50% of their hit points, because they are so slow they will probably take some additonal damage on the way back. Once they are fully repaired, you can send them back to pick up where they left off. This will severely weaken the enemy's ability to attack from the North.

Once your expansion base is operating at full capacity, send in some Battlecruisers to the low ground area in the center of the map. You'll find plenty more resources there, and you can build a small base if you need them. This position is a bit tougher to hold, as the Northeast enemy base will hit you fairly hard, but if you keep your Battlecruisers around and add some Siege Tanks and defensive structures at the entry points, you should manage.

Now you should have the capacity to build as many Battlecruisers as you want. I suggest finishing off the Western enemy base as you prepare for your assault on the cannon. Send in Battlecruisers to work their way through the cannon's formidable defenses. In case your cruisers get hit with an EMP, have a squadron of Wraiths backing them up to run down and destroy the Science Vessel and prevent it from coming back and doing it again (you can also cloak the Wraiths to follow the Science Vessel into enemy territory). It's also not a bad idea to bring in a Science Vessel of your own to reveal cloaked enemies. Once you've broken through the outer defensive perimeters and the only defenses left are in close proximity to the cannon itself, make a run for it and hit the Cannon with everything you've got. You can continue to build additoinal units at your bases to send in if your attack force gets substantially weakened, but you should be able to take down the cannon before taking serious losses.

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^^ The most comprehensive guide for beating that level I've ever seen...

I failed the first few times, amazed because it really is such a huge jump from a level like gettysburg, where you can basically be doing lunch and win.

I personally did the 'tank push'. Just kept on building tanks and slowly advanced them in tandem with my sci vessels. I found that when I entered the sanctum of the ion cannon (having eliminated the other computers) there were no almost defenders. They used the defenders to guard their own bases...

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Everything can be expressed in 2. 2+2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.

I've never beaten that level without cheats either. But I was thinking of defending my base with turrets and bunkers filled with marines who have used two or three stim packs each and then getting goliaths, siege tanks and a science vessel and slowly head north to destroy the base fortified there. Bring in some scvs and have them start a new base gathering minerals gas and creating more defenses and battlecruisers to take out the cannon. dropping a couple nukes should work too. I oughta try to beat it without cheats. I also want to try internet battles.
Can't you use campaign editor to create a map for internet play? If so I would create my starting with plenty of minerals and gas deposits.

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"I see," says the blind man while pissing into the wind, "it's all coming back to me now."
-Ultimate Rebel

I was stuck on that mission for a while. I did a ground incursion on the surrounding area, primarily aiming to take out all the detectors. I then nuked that Ion Cannon into the 8th dimension. It takes 2 nukes to do it. If you have an expansion (as I did), then you can drop the two one after another relatively easily, once all the detectors are gone.

-Tim

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I'm sorry maybe I'm just clueless but were you guys saying that theres an Ambrosia channel on B.net called ev3??? I'v been logging on there for some time and it doesn't seem to be very popular infact nobody is ever there. But anyways I just thought it would be cool to play someone from ambrosia.

If there are any ambrosia channels on Battle.net please tell me the FULL channel name.

thanks

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Glenn, don't worry the slightest about experience. Some people - like myself - just plain suck anyway. I was never able to pass a Terran mission (I don't know the number) with the crashed battlecruiser, the Nomad III, I seem to remember.

And the first level on Brood Wars looks impossible, when you fight a constant stream of Zerg, and 50 of them to start, with around 10 Protoss units.

As for multi-player games, I might be able to hold my own, but I worry myself to quitting or giving up. I remember one melee I played against three computers, where I had "poweroverwhelming" on while I built up, never needed it, and beat all three simultaneously with the cheat off once I was established. I was never - at any point - attacked. I'm pretty proud of that, but the fact remains I did use cheats, if it only amounted to a confidence builder.

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Wow...thanks, StarStrafer.

Lody, the channel is most likely called just 'ev3'. I've never tried going there...

You may not be able to find anyone because you may be playing the wrong game. Do you play SC or Brood War?

Everyone else, do you get on the channel on SC or Brood War?

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1100 posts as of 8.08.2002 5:37 PM (8:37 ASW time)

Last time I played the 10th Terran level I secured the raised area north of the start location with seige tanks and bunkers (blocking off the east entrance with turrets tanks and bunkers) and destroyed the Red base with tanks supported by Goliaths. Good tip for detecting ghosts- hotkey the com-sat station so you can sweep at the touch of a button.
After taking out the red player I fortified the ways from the east with more tanks and goliaths (in large enough numbers to take out any cruisers that came my way) then set about securing the other mineral nodes. Then I just nuked the white base into the ground (targeting the turrets first so he couldn't detect the ghosts).

If you think that's tough, try the last terran level of Brood Wars...

Still, I never managed to get very far on the Zerg levels of BW...

Az

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"Your superior intellect is no match for our primative weaponry!"
Don't ask, just click.

And if you think that's tough, try playing ladder against good players. You don't stand a chance. Bomb, what was your highest rating? Mine used to be 1200..





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The B.net ev3 channel is almost always empty. A better place to look for games is #ev3 on irc.ambrosia.net.

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"What a piece of work is man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculties! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust?" -- Hamlet, Hamlet, II.ii

I bought Stracraft years ago, I beat it and the expansion set. Can't wait for them to make a sequal.

P.S. Sup Shayborg, long time no see.(I was Titan)

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Watcha saying? I ain't good enough for ya? You wanna peice of me? How about the left nostril?

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"Your superior intellect is no match for our primative weaponry!"
Don't ask, just click.

[This message has been edited by Aben Zin (edited 08-17-2002).]

You know that Terran level where you start out with your base floating on a tiny little platform? Well, the first time I tried that (several years ago) I just set up base there. Then I put my SCVs in dropships and mined manually. The next day (I quit after a short while) I realized how much of an idiot I was, and beat it in half an hour. You can't get much worse than that. :-

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Remember, everyone, I'm joking. Seriously.

I got up to about, ****. What was it... Abou 1250, I believe, before I started running afoul of several clan members who wanted to take me on. A few bad games later and I was done. Losing to players way below you in terms of ranking really kicks your ass. Haven't played ladder in about 3 years though. I've retired to BSing 7 v 1c players (stupid little nerds) mostly with the occasional 3 v 3 ZC, just for laughs.

screen name on battle.net is: bomb_

I'm not on much though, having become thoroughly addicted to AoE II, and that whole working eight hours a day thing.

I say we have a contest. Whoever can take down me and Karrde is undisputed champion of the ASW boards. I can only say that because I know it'll never happen.

_bomb

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"And to all the enemies of humanity, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through....
....No matter the cost."

Actually, my friend just got it the end of last week. He stinks, too. He has to use cheats on just about every level, and has no tactical skill whatsoever. Just thought that might make you feel better.


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"I see," says the blind man while pissing into the wind, "it's all coming back to me now."
-Ultimate Rebel

I would do that if I could be bothered... I used to be quite good in the day (before I quit, I was able to take down 3 computers in melee quite often...)

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Everything can be expressed in 2. 2+2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.

Eh, don't mean to rain on your parade, but any elite player can take on 7 computers in a melee. And that barely compares to taking on good players on ladder, non-money maps. It got way too intense and too stressful. Took the fun out of the game.

_bomb

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"And to all the enemies of humanity, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through....
....No matter the cost."

You prefer easy games?

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Everything can be expressed in 2. 2+2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.

Heh. I once designed a map that had a stash of minerals inside a walled enclosure in the middle of the map. Only trouble was that I'd forgot that you couldn't build Command centres (et al.) close to minerals, and you couldn't actually get to the stash! When I tested the map I had to basically do what you did to get resources...

Az


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"Your superior intellect is no match for our primative weaponry!"
Don't ask, just click.