Has anybody become really fed up with this game? I absolutely love RTS games. I played war3 non-stop during my free time for about 2 weeks. Then something set me off me off a few nights ago. It's a great game, don't get me wrong, but the players on bnet are way too competetive and way too immature. It's almost completely unenjoyable.
The last game I played (which is similar to several games I played that night), I was attacked by an Arch mage and about 5 footmen very very early on. I was constantly attacked with low tier units through out the entire game. It becomes painful to play. No time to build up and tech up. I choose to tech up. I start using my fewer units more wisely in order to keep them alive longer. The pressure is on. Everytime my opponent tried to expand I cut him off. I just happened to read his plays, and guessed where he was planning to expand. I took risks, but they paid off. At the end of the game after he is bled dry, I get called all sorts of names and accused of hacking?!? I ruined his record with my stupid hack!?!?
These kids play like garbage, banking on a rush and massing units to give them wins and have no strategic concept of the game. It's not starcraft. And I suck because I hacked? I'm not even a good player. How can I be accused of using a hack? I've decided to go on protest. I don't dig on the whole orc/fantasy thing anways. Future tech style games like starcraft are much more entertaining. Time to boot up Nova. Anybody else feel this way?
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Starcraft had a viscissitude of strategies that you could apply to any fascet of the base, terrain, anything in the game. Very little, if anything, was noticeably unbalanced.
In Warcraft, gone are the days when a single strategic siege tank drop could annihilate a base. Brute power reigns, and it's more about micromanagement, i.e. clicking faster and moving your cursor accurately than tactical gameplay. I hate the fact that most strategies are just the same and used again and again... I would have preferred Starcraft to get the great new graphics instead of Warcraft 3.
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In Warcraft, gone are the days when a single strategic siege tank drop could annihilate a base. Brute power reigns, and it's more about micromanagement, i.e. clicking faster and moving your cursor accurately than tactical gameplay. I hate the fact that most strategies are just the same and used again and again... I would have preferred Starcraft to get the great new graphics instead of Warcraft 3.
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Starcraft had a viscissitude of strategies that you could apply to any fascet of the base, terrain, anything in the game. Very little, if anything, was noticeably unbalanced.
In Warcraft, gone are the days when a single strategic siege tank drop could annihilate a base. Brute power reigns, and it's more about micromanagement, i.e. clicking faster and moving your cursor accurately than tactical gameplay. I hate the fact that most strategies are just the same and used again and again... I would have preferred Starcraft to get the great new graphics instead of Warcraft 3.
Starcraft had a viscissitude of strategies that you could apply to any fascet of the base, terrain, anything in the game. Very little, if anything, was noticeably unbalanced.
In Warcraft, gone are the days when a single strategic siege tank drop could annihilate a base. Brute power reigns, and it's more about micromanagement, i.e. clicking faster and moving your cursor accurately than tactical gameplay. I hate the fact that most strategies are just the same and used again and again... I would have preferred Starcraft to get the great new graphics instead of Warcraft 3.
I completely agree. You're right about War3 gameplay. It also comes down to rock, paper, scissors in the beginning: Rush, Tech, expand. They have a lot of tweeking to do on that game. There is so much tactical potential to each unit...but brute strength as you put it , can end a game in 5 minutes. It never gets to reach its potential. Starcraft was a masterpiece. I hope the next SC title does it justice.
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I hope the next SC title does it justice.
I hope the next SC title does it justice.
I hope so too. Unfortunately, we have to wait until at least 2004, if, in fact, Blizzard decides to make one at all. They only make one game a year, giving that game a chance to gain a lot of popularity and make a lot of money. It's a very good business plan. Next year is World of Warcraft, then, hopefully, SC2. Or Diablo 3. :mad:
I'm hoping to get WC3 when I get a newer OS (probably 9.1). I'll see if it is any more annoying than the n00bs on StarCraft.
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I'm hoping to get WC3 when I get a newer OS (probably 9.1). I'll see if it is any more annoying than the n00bs on StarCraft.
I'm hoping to get WC3 when I get a newer OS (probably 9.1). I'll see if it is any more annoying than the n00bs on StarCraft.
Prepare yourself for n00bville, USA - where the skanks are plenty and the n00bmeter is off the scale. Starcraft was never this bad...or maybe I'm just geting old.
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Kuji, we disagree yet again. 
But I'll adress the game play later, when I post my Warcraft III review.
I just wanted to say that I LIKE playing against all the retards on b.net. Why? Because I don't feel guilty at all beating them into the ground! When someone insults and derides me all the way through the game, what greater feeling, what purer enjoyment can there be than to slowly annihilate his base, and grind him into the dust? I feel bad when I Play against nice players! Playing against mean stupid players is the only way to go.
Of course, when they turn around and hand you your butt on a plate, then it's not so satisfying. But that just means I have to be better than they are. And a challenge is always good!
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But I'll adress the game play later, when I post my Warcraft III review. I just wanted to say that I LIKE playing against all the retards on b.net. Why? Because I don't feel guilty at all beating them into the ground! When someone insults and derides me all the way through the game, what greater feeling, what purer enjoyment can there be than to slowly annihilate his base, and grind him into the dust? I feel bad when I Play against nice players! Playing against mean stupid players is the only way to go.
Of course, when they turn around and hand you your butt on a plate, then it's not so satisfying. But that just means I have to be better than they are. And a challenge is always good!
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First thin WC3 is a great game! Although you ahve a lot of **** on the internet from idiots. However when you play with good people it justifies it. I played with one other guy who wasn't any good, but very nice we one against six other people with the same skill or a little worse, but we had a great time and everyone was courteous and very good about it. This is how online gaming should be.
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Kuji, see the problem is the ladder system, you dont want to lose to have your ranking suffer. Warcraft 3 IS a great game, but the people that are crushing everyone else to get higher on the ladder are really making people start to hate it. Gabe at www.penny-arcade.com deals with this too if youve read any of his comics or rants, as do I being just a casual wc3 player. What I hope blizzard does soon is just a random matchup with people without any sort of ranking win/loss or anything, where people can just play to play. Oh and if you ever played ladder SC games, people were this bad, its just that people never really cared about winning in the non-ladder games.
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Kuji, see the problem is the ladder system, you dont want to lose to have your ranking suffer. Warcraft 3 IS a great game, but the people that are crushing everyone else to get higher on the ladder are really making people start to hate it. Gabe at www.penny-arcade.com deals with this too if youve read any of his comics or rants, as do I being just a casual wc3 player. What I hope blizzard does soon is just a random matchup with people without any sort of ranking win/loss or anything, where people can just play to play. Oh and if you ever played ladder SC games, people were this bad, its just that people never really cared about winning in the non-ladder games.
Kuji, see the problem is the ladder system, you dont want to lose to have your ranking suffer. Warcraft 3 IS a great game, but the people that are crushing everyone else to get higher on the ladder are really making people start to hate it. Gabe at www.penny-arcade.com deals with this too if youve read any of his comics or rants, as do I being just a casual wc3 player. What I hope blizzard does soon is just a random matchup with people without any sort of ranking win/loss or anything, where people can just play to play. Oh and if you ever played ladder SC games, people were this bad, its just that people never really cared about winning in the non-ladder games.
That's what I want to be. A casual War3 player. It's impossible. If there were more regular style games on Custom games options, it would be so much sweeter. Hero arena and CTF are pretty lame. I really dig the match up system that doesn't count towards any type of record. That's a good idea. Maybe people will relax a bit more.
I really didn't play all that much ladder on SC. When it first came out I got up to something like 1300 and I was cool with that. Then I just did regular melee. I never had the joy of dealing with freaky sc ladder players. I kind of stayed away from the ladder when I heard people just hack the bejesus out of the game.
I am truly amazed that some war3 players have played over 1000 games. Jeez, I only played about 400-500 games of SC over a four to five year period. That's nothing compared to getting a record up to 1000 wins in a little over a month and 1/2. People take this game way too seriously.
But yeah, it's a sweet game...the engine is great, the characters are pretty. The game play is smooth...I wish the static defense were tougher buildings, it would deter a lot of the 1 dimensionality of the common strategy. I'm not even sure if they are cost effective. unless you are rushing with them of course
I'm still going to protest the game. I was becoming anti-social anyways 
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About being a "causal" player-if you dont want a record, just don't look at it, heh The record is really not for competition anyways(note the lack of seasons/prizes for ladder like there were in Starcraft), it's just to make the game more fun by pitting you against evenly matched opponents. And if you want to find non-record games it's fairly easy just by going to one of the channels like clan ~nohunters etc.
Warcraft 3 static defense is already way more powerful than SC static D, heh.
If they made it any more powerful then walking towers across the map to the enemy base(with some seige to kill their seige) would become a viable strategy !(lol )
What I don't like about WC3 is the scrolls of Town Portal. Gone is the possibility of surprising your enemy by landing half a dozen Tanks next to his probes and wiping out his base while his army is attacking you halfway across the map. Instead, you can go whereever you want and never have to worry about defending yourself. As soon as he attacks, you can just TP back and chase him off( army+static d>army by itself
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Creeping is a lot more boring than attacking the enemy, I'd rather that fighting your opponent was the only way to gain XP for your heroes. If I wanted to play a RPG I'd play Diablo or something, heh. And is anyone else annoyed by a 90 supply limit(especially when combat units start at 2 supply!) It's a real step back from the possibility of running around with 120 hydras/ 50 zealots/20 goons/some HT or a hundred M&M with tank and Vessel support in SC.
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The record is really not for competition anyways(note the lack of seasons/prizes for ladder like there were in Starcraft), it's just to make the game more fun by pitting you against evenly matched opponents. And if you want to find non-record games it's fairly easy just by going to one of the channels like clan ~nohunters etc. Warcraft 3 static defense is already way more powerful than SC static D, heh.
If they made it any more powerful then walking towers across the map to the enemy base(with some seige to kill their seige) would become a viable strategy !(lol
)What I don't like about WC3 is the scrolls of Town Portal. Gone is the possibility of surprising your enemy by landing half a dozen Tanks next to his probes and wiping out his base while his army is attacking you halfway across the map. Instead, you can go whereever you want and never have to worry about defending yourself. As soon as he attacks, you can just TP back and chase him off( army+static d>army by itself
)Creeping is a lot more boring than attacking the enemy, I'd rather that fighting your opponent was the only way to gain XP for your heroes. If I wanted to play a RPG I'd play Diablo or something, heh. And is anyone else annoyed by a 90 supply limit(especially when combat units start at 2 supply!) It's a real step back from the possibility of running around with 120 hydras/ 50 zealots/20 goons/some HT or a hundred M&M with tank and Vessel support in SC.
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Kuji, we disagree yet again. But I'll adress the game play later, when I post my Warcraft III review.
Oh well. Agreeing on something was fun while it lasted
I just wanted to say that I LIKE playing against all the retards on b.net. Why? Because I don't feel guilty at all beating them into the ground! When someone insults and derides me all the way through the game, what greater feeling, what purer enjoyment can there be than to slowly annihilate his base, and grind him into the dust? I feel bad when I Play against nice players! Playing against mean stupid players is the only way to go.
See, I'm the exact opposite. If I play a friend or someone looking for a challenge, I give it my 100%. If I'm playing a person who is below ave, obnoxious, and down right irritating...I kind of go easy...I don't know why. I guess I just feel kind of bad for them. They must suck in person even more.
Of course, when they turn around and hand you your butt on a plate, then it's not so satisfying. But that just means I have to be better than they are. And a challenge is always good!
I couldn't agree more.
Maybe if I had more time to dedicate to the game I would enjoy it more. But then I'd have to deal with dumb dumb people on a daily basis. Boo. And letting them get the best of me is a huge blow to my gaming ego. That's why I decided to protest and boycott the game on a high note.
But honestly, if I had to rank W3 on a scale of 1 to w00table. I would give it a w00t. I guess my expectations were too high.
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But I'll adress the game play later, when I post my Warcraft III review. Oh well. Agreeing on something was fun while it lasted
I just wanted to say that I LIKE playing against all the retards on b.net. Why? Because I don't feel guilty at all beating them into the ground! When someone insults and derides me all the way through the game, what greater feeling, what purer enjoyment can there be than to slowly annihilate his base, and grind him into the dust? I feel bad when I Play against nice players! Playing against mean stupid players is the only way to go.
See, I'm the exact opposite. If I play a friend or someone looking for a challenge, I give it my 100%. If I'm playing a person who is below ave, obnoxious, and down right irritating...I kind of go easy...I don't know why. I guess I just feel kind of bad for them. They must suck in person even more.
Of course, when they turn around and hand you your butt on a plate, then it's not so satisfying. But that just means I have to be better than they are. And a challenge is always good!
I couldn't agree more.
Maybe if I had more time to dedicate to the game I would enjoy it more. But then I'd have to deal with dumb dumb people on a daily basis. Boo. And letting them get the best of me is a huge blow to my gaming ego. That's why I decided to protest and boycott the game on a high note.
But honestly, if I had to rank W3 on a scale of 1 to w00table. I would give it a w00t. I guess my expectations were too high.
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Originally posted by Begemotike:
Kuji, we disagree yet again. But I'll adress the game play later, when I post my Warcraft III review.
I just wanted to say that I LIKE playing against all the retards on b.net. Why? Because I don't feel guilty at all beating them into the ground! When someone insults and derides me all the way through the game, what greater feeling, what purer enjoyment can there be than to slowly annihilate his base, and grind him into the dust? I feel bad when I Play against nice players! Playing against mean stupid players is the only way to go.
Of course, when they turn around and hand you your butt on a plate, then it's not so satisfying. But that just means I have to be better than they are. And a challenge is always good!
Kuji, we disagree yet again.
But I'll adress the game play later, when I post my Warcraft III review. I just wanted to say that I LIKE playing against all the retards on b.net. Why? Because I don't feel guilty at all beating them into the ground! When someone insults and derides me all the way through the game, what greater feeling, what purer enjoyment can there be than to slowly annihilate his base, and grind him into the dust? I feel bad when I Play against nice players! Playing against mean stupid players is the only way to go.
Of course, when they turn around and hand you your butt on a plate, then it's not so satisfying. But that just means I have to be better than they are. And a challenge is always good!
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
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I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
play team games, this doesnt work there (its there, not their, wheee im smart). The bad thing about team games is that a REAL good record for team games is 3/2 ratio. Normal records run about 50/50, but losing doesnt hurt your level much.
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This one of the reasons why EV Multiplayer would be a bad idea.
This one of the reasons why EV Multiplayer would be a bad idea.
I don't know, if you could load up your ship with any escorts you have and try to beat the carp out of everybody else. What's so bad about that?
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Originally posted by draconix:
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
I am guilty of giving the 45 second salute in SC games. I saved it for those special occasions when I get backstabbed by a partner who took advantage of taking down my base when my force was finishing off our opponents. This happened ALL the time. It does feel reeeaaal good when you throw it right back at them and actually beat them back into the stoneage. Even then I, still offered to ally. But if I was about to lose, it was time to salute the better player.
Just out of curiosity I went to the battle.net forums. If you want to hear cranky, maladjusted, vicious, inflamatory, and outright rude gamers with no reguard of other peoples opinion, I highly suggest you check out the War3 Strategy forum. THere is not one post there about strategy. Mostly cries to balance the game because huntresses are too powerful. Boo hoo.
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I bet you guys are good and honorable players. If anybody is going to be on this saturday sometime, please reply back. I would love to see what you guys are made of. I will break my protest of War3 only for people of these boards. Bege, if you want to convince me of your point of view.....this is a fantastic opportunity ------------------
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I don't know, if you could load up your ship with any escorts you have and try to beat the carp out of everybody else. What's so bad about that?
I don't know, if you could load up your ship with any escorts you have and try to beat the carp out of everybody else. What's so bad about that?
I dunno. Those PETA people can be pretty scary when agitated...
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I know what my enemy is going to do before he does it, literally. There is just no variation... oh yes, bad players don't do exactly the same strategies over and over again, they have yet to learn which ones work...
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Originally posted by draconix:
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
I am guilty of giving the 45 second salute in SC games. I saved it for those special occasions when I get backstabbed by a partner who took advantage of taking down my base when my force was finishing off our opponents. This happened ALL the time. It does feel reeeaaal good when you throw it right back at them and actually beat them back into the stoneage. Even then I, still offered to ally. But if I was about to lose, it was time to salute the better player.
Just out of curiosity I went to the battle.net forums. If you want to hear cranky, maladjusted, vicious, inflamatory, and outright rude gamers with no reguard of other peoples opinion, I highly suggest you check out the War3 Strategy forum. THere is not one post there about strategy. Mostly cries to balance the game because huntresses are too powerful. Boo hoo.
*LIGHT BULB!!!!* I just had a thought.....yes I have more than 1 a day
I bet you guys are good and honorable players. If anybody is going to be on this saturday sometime, please reply back. I would love to see what you guys are made of. I will break my protest of War3 only for people of these boards. Bege, if you want to convince me of your point of view.....this is a fantastic opportunity ------------------
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uggh.. I just dont look at my ranking any more, its never a good sign of skill anyways. The disgusting thing is that like 80% of my losses are to people leaving mid-game and leaving me to die to outnumbering which is really infuriating (although this morning I won one of those games and got to /msg the person that left and laugh at them). The problem always seems to rely in teamates screwing up a whole lot (on most games, some games its because the opponents are just good). Its sad that on most 4v4 games I can end up in the top 3 even though I lose just because my teamates dont support my build order, which requires air support to work effectively. I dont really have a problem with the people other than the fact that they never say "gg" or anything after the battle, they just act immature, but everyone once in awhile you get good opponents.
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I remember one of my games was so infuriating... the ally seems not to understand how to send me messages after 'hi' and then he launched an all-out attack on an undead player... with massed rifleman!!
Funnily enough, most of my large scale games are successfull. This is because I like to get everyone to rush people in the beginning, usually their allies are tech-rushing to wyrms or some such, in which case they just can't defend.
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Funnily enough, most of my large scale games are successfull. This is because I like to get everyone to rush people in the beginning, usually their allies are tech-rushing to wyrms or some such, in which case they just can't defend.
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It's a real step back from the possibility of running around with 120 hydras/ 50 zealots/20 goons/some HT or a hundred M&M with tank and Vessel support in SC.
and that, my friend, is the reason there is a 90 supply limit--so people cant mass units as much. it still happens, mainly with huntresses, but since they cant mass as many its much easier to build a counterforce and take them out. SC got real boring real fast cuz all people did was mass units. war3 i find extremely enjoyable. sure there are jackasses out there who are all about winning, but thats why us decent players invented "hide the farm" It's a real step back from the possibility of running around with 120 hydras/ 50 zealots/20 goons/some HT or a hundred M&M with tank and Vessel support in SC.
i love doing that when bad sports are beating me, esp. as human, just go build a farm in some obscure corner... one time i annoyed a guy so much he quit out and i won, even though i had only 1 farm left!! 
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How on earth did you manage to double post at two different times?
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[quote]Originally posted by Kuji:
I am guilty of giving the 45 second salute in SC games. I saved it for those special occasions when I get backstabbed by a partner who took advantage of taking down my base when my force was finishing off our opponents. This happened ALL the time. It does feel reeeaaal good when you throw it right back at them and actually beat them back into the stoneage. Even then I, still offered to ally. But if I was about to lose, it was time to salute the better player.
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I am guilty of giving the 45 second salute in SC games. I saved it for those special occasions when I get backstabbed by a partner who took advantage of taking down my base when my force was finishing off our opponents. This happened ALL the time. It does feel reeeaaal good when you throw it right back at them and actually beat them back into the stoneage. Even then I, still offered to ally. But if I was about to lose, it was time to salute the better player.
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Originally posted by draconix:
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
I'd just like to point out the fact that, when you finally get better to them and prepare to feed them thier own posterior, they reset their computers/force quit WC3. (Causes a disconnect)
This is true, but I see that as a very satisfying victory. That's like arriving on the battle field and having the enemy soil their pants and high tale it for the hills.
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Originally posted by Begemotike:
If you lose to a huntress rush, that's YOUR fault. That's because YOU suck. That's because you LOST, and haven't the brains to figure out a counter defense/attack! That's because YOU SUCK. (you, not being Kuji, but the mythical whiner)
Maybe, they are a bit overpowered. I haven't looked into it that much yet, simply because it's never been an issue for me. I die more from REALLY early rushes, and then being outmanuvered later in the game, not from huntress rushes.
If you lose to a huntress rush, that's YOUR fault. That's because YOU suck. That's because you LOST, and haven't the brains to figure out a counter defense/attack! That's because YOU SUCK. (you, not being Kuji, but the mythical whiner)
Maybe, they are a bit overpowered. I haven't looked into it that much yet, simply because it's never been an issue for me. I die more from REALLY early rushes, and then being outmanuvered later in the game, not from huntress rushes.
Huntresses are supposedly slightly overdone, but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. The problem they need to fix is tower rushing, because its just defeating the purpose of the game.
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The problem is that people are comparing Huntresses to their Grunts and Footmen, forgetting that Huntresses are L2 units for elves (Archers being L1), while Footmen and Grunts are L1. People should be comparing huntresses to knights or twice as many riflemen
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Originally posted by Slug:
The problem is that people are comparing Huntresses to their Grunts and Footmen, forgetting that Huntresses are L2 units for elves (Archers being L1), while Footmen and Grunts are L1. People should be comparing huntresses to knights or twice as many riflemen
The problem is that people are comparing Huntresses to their Grunts and Footmen, forgetting that Huntresses are L2 units for elves (Archers being L1), while Footmen and Grunts are L1. People should be comparing huntresses to knights or twice as many riflemen
The problem is that they are unique. They are the best massable units in the game: strong, quick melee units with small bounce range. What's the point of massing footmen? No other unit has as much usefulness by themselves as huntresses. So you have one race that can mass. The other races need strategy to and a mixture of units to beat them. Higher tech helps. The whiners complain about having to strain their brain to keep up. And I come to these boards and whine about the whiners
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Regarding huntresses, here are some interesting replays I grabbed off a top-notch Warcraft 3 clan site:
http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_3.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_4.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_5.w3g
If you go to the site and read the text the ONLY way this player could beat the human guy was to huntress mass... imbalance vs imbalance.
Oh begemotike, please don't say this guy sucks balls because he lost.
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http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_3.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_4.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_5.w3g
If you go to the site and read the text the ONLY way this player could beat the human guy was to huntress mass... imbalance vs imbalance.
Oh begemotike, please don't say this guy sucks balls because he lost.
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Originally posted by Slug:
The problem is that people are comparing Huntresses to their Grunts and Footmen, forgetting that Huntresses are L2 units for elves (Archers being L1), while Footmen and Grunts are L1. People should be comparing huntresses to knights or twice as many riflemen
The problem is that people are comparing Huntresses to their Grunts and Footmen, forgetting that Huntresses are L2 units for elves (Archers being L1), while Footmen and Grunts are L1. People should be comparing huntresses to knights or twice as many riflemen
I don't where this 'level' thing came from, I look at it in tiers. So a tier 1 is the tree of life, which huntresses can be built at... so I would compare them to other tier 1 units. And grunts are more powerful than huntresses.
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I only play on the europe gateway and Im good (don't laugh), I like playing 2vs2 random. And since you don't know who your playing it gets so much cooler. My current 2vs2 record is 26-5 pretty good. And I have *never* been acused of cheating or hacking. Most guys are cool and says your good or in aolish ur good
But Starcraft was much more fun to play, in warcraft3 a 14 units army is huge in starcraft that would have been a small early army. Unless it's 14 BC's ph33r. Yeah I agree there was much more tactic in starcraft, you didn't see people kill 14 units with a hero (if there were any) and 2 huntress.
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I only play on the europe gateway and Im good (don't laugh
), I like playing 2vs2 random. And since you don't know who your playing it gets so much cooler. My current 2vs2 record is 26-5 pretty good. And I have *never* been acused of cheating or hacking. Most guys are cool and says your good or in aolish ur good But Starcraft was much more fun to play, in warcraft3 a 14 units army is huge in starcraft that would have been a small early army. Unless it's 14 BC's ph33r. Yeah I agree there was much more tactic in starcraft, you didn't see people kill 14 units with a hero (if there were any) and 2 huntress.
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Today is a sad day. All this talk about getting together and playing some WC3...
Story goes like this:
Kuji is a daring guy. He takes unnecessary risks. He sticks by his word and pays all debts..good and bad.
hehe, anyways, my high-risk nature and my good heart swayed me to take a small game of chance with my younger brother. He's off to Fordham this year. He wanted to take my computer to school. He needs it for what he wants to do, so that got to me. He talked me into letting a coin toss decide the fate of my beloved:
Lush 3.8
Needless to say he won. I will be out one computer capable of playing warcraft 3. I will be going down about 3 steps in my video card and processor speed
I'll see you in about 3 months on bnet when I buy myself that G4 titanium powerbook I've been hankering for. I'm figuring prices will be reasonable in a few months. Hopefully. Anybody play starcraft still?
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Story goes like this:
Kuji is a daring guy. He takes unnecessary risks. He sticks by his word and pays all debts..good and bad.
hehe, anyways, my high-risk nature and my good heart swayed me to take a small game of chance with my younger brother. He's off to Fordham this year. He wanted to take my computer to school. He needs it for what he wants to do, so that got to me. He talked me into letting a coin toss decide the fate of my beloved:
Lush 3.8
Needless to say he won. I will be out one computer capable of playing warcraft 3. I will be going down about 3 steps in my video card and processor speed
I'll see you in about 3 months on bnet when I buy myself that G4 titanium powerbook I've been hankering for.
I'm figuring prices will be reasonable in a few months. Hopefully. Anybody play starcraft still? ------------------
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Originally posted by Ex Nihilo:
Regarding huntresses, here are some interesting replays I grabbed off a top-notch Warcraft 3 clan site:
http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_3.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_4.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_5.w3g
If you go to the site and read the text the ONLY way this player could beat the human guy was to huntress mass... imbalance vs imbalance.
Oh begemotike, please don't say this guy sucks balls because he lost.
Regarding huntresses, here are some interesting replays I grabbed off a top-notch Warcraft 3 clan site:
http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_3.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_4.w3g http://www.theinclan.com/replays/war3/cant...nger_ne_H_5.w3g
If you go to the site and read the text the ONLY way this player could beat the human guy was to huntress mass... imbalance vs imbalance.
Oh begemotike, please don't say this guy sucks balls because he lost.
No fears, I won't. It's not losing that makes you suck, it's whining about it.
At least, for me. Heck, I lose a lot more on b.net than I win. OKay.. I do suck. But anyway. Your links brought up a blank page, but I don't see how fighting an imbalance with an imbalance is an imbalance.. rather, I'd call it the other way around. That's called a tactic and a counter tactic.
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[quote]Originally posted by Kuji:
Today is a sad day. All this talk about getting together and playing some WC3...
Story goes like this:
Kuji is a daring guy. He takes unnecessary risks. He sticks by his word and pays all debts..good and bad.
hehe, anyways, my high-risk nature and my good heart swayed me to take a small game of chance with my younger brother. He's off to Fordham this year. He wanted to take my computer to school. He needs it for what he wants to do, so that got to me. He talked me into letting a coin toss decide the fate of my beloved:
Lush 3.8
Needless to say he won. I will be out one computer capable of playing warcraft 3. I will be going down about 3 steps in my video card and processor speed
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Today is a sad day. All this talk about getting together and playing some WC3...
Story goes like this:
Kuji is a daring guy. He takes unnecessary risks. He sticks by his word and pays all debts..good and bad.
hehe, anyways, my high-risk nature and my good heart swayed me to take a small game of chance with my younger brother. He's off to Fordham this year. He wanted to take my computer to school. He needs it for what he wants to do, so that got to me. He talked me into letting a coin toss decide the fate of my beloved:
Lush 3.8
Needless to say he won. I will be out one computer capable of playing warcraft 3. I will be going down about 3 steps in my video card and processor speed
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Originally posted by Begemotike:
No fears, I won't. It's not losing that makes you suck, it's whining about it. At least, for me. Heck, I lose a lot more on b.net than I win. OKay.. I do suck. But anyway.
Your links brought up a blank page, but I don't see how fighting an imbalance with an imbalance is an imbalance.. rather, I'd call it the other way around. That's called a tactic and a counter tactic. By no means are those the only tactics those races can employ, as even that site shows, if you peruse some of the strategy and replay areas.
No fears, I won't. It's not losing that makes you suck, it's whining about it.
At least, for me. Heck, I lose a lot more on b.net than I win. OKay.. I do suck. But anyway. Your links brought up a blank page, but I don't see how fighting an imbalance with an imbalance is an imbalance.. rather, I'd call it the other way around. That's called a tactic and a counter tactic.
By no means are those the only tactics those races can employ, as even that site shows, if you peruse some of the strategy and replay areas.I never said it was an imbalance to fight an imbalance. Merely that one player used an imbalance, and the only way the other player could win was to counter with an imbalance... certainly a good idea since it won him a $175 prize pool.
In Starcraft and co you'll notice that with any race you possessed an equal chance of winning. Actually Starcraft was great because you had so many things you could do, even if one race had what you might call alot of advantages then people could always point the finger and say 'you could have done that' and lo and behold.
In Warcraft 3, I hope you're not a human player and if you are, and you meet a night elf player of equal skill, there's just no way you can win. You seem to believe that Warcraft has alot of strategies and counter tactics... it doesn't. The only counter to the huntress rush is to turtle and get to gryphons, which will cost you expansions which will cost you the game.
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But Starcraft was much more fun to play, in warcraft3 a 14 units army is huge in starcraft that would have been a small early army. Unless it's 14 BC's ph33r. Yeah I agree there was much more tactic in starcraft, you didn't see people kill 14 units with a hero (if there were any) and 2 huntress.
i completely disagree. starcraft is fraggin boring as hell compared to war3. 14 units is not a huge army in war3, its an average army. a huge army is like 30 units. and in fact neither of them is a worthwhile army if it has no hero to lead it, because as some people fail to notice, heroes are the key to war3. there are no tactics in starcraft, just massing as many units as you can as fast as you can. thats not a tactic, and neither is it any fun. SC was also dominated by "$$$HUNTERS$$$" money maps, and while they do exist in war3, playing on them cannot improve your record, and they are also fairly rare. and you cant kill 14 units with a hero and 2 huntresses unless they are 14 bad units and your hero is high-level. so anyway i dont see how starcraft was anywhere near as much fun as war3.But Starcraft was much more fun to play, in warcraft3 a 14 units army is huge in starcraft that would have been a small early army. Unless it's 14 BC's ph33r. Yeah I agree there was much more tactic in starcraft, you didn't see people kill 14 units with a hero (if there were any) and 2 huntress.
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Originally posted by Planet_Buster:
i completely disagree. starcraft is fraggin boring as hell compared to war3. 14 units is not a huge army in war3, its an average army. a huge army is like 30 units. and in fact neither of them is a worthwhile army if it has no hero to lead it, because as some people fail to notice, heroes are the key to war3. there are no tactics in starcraft, just massing as many units as you can as fast as you can. thats not a tactic, and neither is it any fun. SC was also dominated by "$$$HUNTERS$$$" money maps, and while they do exist in war3, playing on them cannot improve your record, and they are also fairly rare. and you cant kill 14 units with a hero and 2 huntresses unless they are 14 bad units and your hero is high-level. so anyway i dont see how starcraft was anywhere near as much fun as war3.
i completely disagree. starcraft is fraggin boring as hell compared to war3. 14 units is not a huge army in war3, its an average army. a huge army is like 30 units. and in fact neither of them is a worthwhile army if it has no hero to lead it, because as some people fail to notice, heroes are the key to war3. there are no tactics in starcraft, just massing as many units as you can as fast as you can. thats not a tactic, and neither is it any fun. SC was also dominated by "$$$HUNTERS$$$" money maps, and while they do exist in war3, playing on them cannot improve your record, and they are also fairly rare. and you cant kill 14 units with a hero and 2 huntresses unless they are 14 bad units and your hero is high-level. so anyway i dont see how starcraft was anywhere near as much fun as war3.
Warcraft mainly involves choosing from a view basic choices, and then on using a limited array of units that interact with each other in a very limited way. Starcraft has the advantage of being set in the future, so they could put in all sorts of interesting stuff there that made it more like a chess game rather than just throwing lots of units into the mix which you erroneously assume it to be all about... Warcraft is about building alot of units and throwing them into the mix. Except the mixes are defined by how well you move your units around the battle (micromanagement) hence I define the greatest skill a Warcraft player can have is the ability to move their mouse fast and accurately.
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Originally posted by Ex Nihilo:
I never said it was an imbalance to fight an imbalance. Merely that one player used an imbalance, and the only way the other player could win was to counter with an imbalance... certainly a good idea since it won him a $175 prize pool.
I never said it was an imbalance to fight an imbalance. Merely that one player used an imbalance, and the only way the other player could win was to counter with an imbalance... certainly a good idea since it won him a $175 prize pool.
Okay.. now I'm confused. Care to explain to me the difference between using an imbalance to fight an imbalance and: 'used an imbalance and the only way the other player could was to counter with an imbalance'?
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Originally posted by Ex Nihilo:
In Warcraft 3, I hope you're not a human player and if you are, and you meet a night elf player of equal skill, there's just no way you can win. You seem to believe that Warcraft has alot of strategies and counter tactics... it doesn't. The only counter to the huntress rush is to turtle and get to gryphons, which will cost you expansions which will cost you the game.
In Warcraft 3, I hope you're not a human player and if you are, and you meet a night elf player of equal skill, there's just no way you can win. You seem to believe that Warcraft has alot of strategies and counter tactics... it doesn't. The only counter to the huntress rush is to turtle and get to gryphons, which will cost you expansions which will cost you the game.
You are correct, that is exactly what I think.
And, lo and behold, I just so happen to be a human player. I've played my share of games. The games I lost were lost because A) I was too slow. The attacker attacked with more than I had to counter with. And I'm not talking Night Elves, I'm talking every kind of player. Orcs, Humans, Undead, you name it. I've lost to them all in rushes.I find it curious you state so precisely that my only hope is to turtle and build gryphons. I take it you've tried every other concievable strategy before coming to that conclusion?
For me, I simply throw up some towers. Huntresses are very low health units, nine towers in a block can destroy a group of huntresses so fast, you can't even blink. And yes, I'm talking early on in the game. Ask Desert Fox as to whether or not a tower defense on my part works.
Humans are adaptable and versatile. Relying on any one unit won't work. Later in the game, get several Knights to to hold up the front line of huntresses, back them up with a mortar team and priests to heal. Also, blizzard is death to massed low health units. Oh, but I forgot! Blizzard is also considered an imbalance! Oh dear, oh dear.
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[b]But Starcraft was much more fun to play, in warcraft3 a 14 units army is huge in starcraft that would have been a small early army. Unless it's 14 BC's ph33r. Yeah I agree there was much more tactic in starcraft, you didn't see people kill 14 units with a hero (if there were any) and 2 huntress.
i completely disagree. starcraft is fraggin boring as hell compared to war3. 14 units is not a huge army in war3, its an average army. a huge army is like 30 units. and in fact neither of them is a worthwhile army if it has no hero to lead it, because as some people fail to notice, heroes are the key to war3. there are no tactics in starcraft, just massing as many units as you can as fast as you can. thats not a tactic, and neither is it any fun. SC was also dominated by "$$$HUNTERS$$$" money maps, and while they do exist in war3, playing on them cannot improve your record, and they are also fairly rare. and you cant kill 14 units with a hero and 2 huntresses unless they are 14 bad units and your hero is high-level. so anyway i dont see how starcraft was anywhere near as much fun as war3.[b]But Starcraft was much more fun to play, in warcraft3 a 14 units army is huge in starcraft that would have been a small early army. Unless it's 14 BC's ph33r. Yeah I agree there was much more tactic in starcraft, you didn't see people kill 14 units with a hero (if there were any) and 2 huntress.
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I can see how starcraft could be boring to you if you played 500 games on a hunters map. It became a different game with massing units with limited resources. Yes youwanted to send your units in, but converservation helped out dramatically. Each race managed everything in a completely different way with less money. I think that strategy is employed differently im both games. SC being more tactical as far as invading and defending. WC being more instinctive and quicker with the draw. Skirmish between 2 armies in W3 require tons of attention.
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Okay.. now I'm confused. Care to explain to me the difference between using an imbalance to fight an imbalance and 'used an imbalance and the only way the other player could was to counter with an imbalance'?
The Human strategy that that player was using is almost undefeatable. The only way he could win against a human player massing footman like that was to use the Night Elf, who get so many advantages over early humans.
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Originally posted by Begemotike:
You are correct, that is exactly what I think. And, lo and behold, I just so happen to be a human player. I've played my share of games. The games I lost were lost because A) I was too slow. The attacker attacked with more than I had to counter with. And I'm not talking Night Elves, I'm talking every kind of player. Orcs, Humans, Undead, you name it. I've lost to them all in rushes.
I find it curious you state so precisely that my only hope is to turtle and build gryphons. I take it you've tried every other concievable strategy before coming to that conclusion?
For me, I simply throw up some towers. Huntresses are very low health units, nine towers in a block can destroy a group of huntresses so fast, you can't even blink. And yes, I'm talking early on in the game. Ask Desert Fox as to whether or not a tower defense on my part works.
You are correct, that is exactly what I think.
And, lo and behold, I just so happen to be a human player. I've played my share of games. The games I lost were lost because A) I was too slow. The attacker attacked with more than I had to counter with. And I'm not talking Night Elves, I'm talking every kind of player. Orcs, Humans, Undead, you name it. I've lost to them all in rushes.I find it curious you state so precisely that my only hope is to turtle and build gryphons. I take it you've tried every other concievable strategy before coming to that conclusion?
For me, I simply throw up some towers. Huntresses are very low health units, nine towers in a block can destroy a group of huntresses so fast, you can't even blink. And yes, I'm talking early on in the game. Ask Desert Fox as to whether or not a tower defense on my part works.
The problem with towers is that it just makes sure they will not attack your base. However while they're not doing that they are creeping, which gets them gold, items and experience while you have to hide behind your towers. They can also expand which gets them much more gold than you, and they can better afford to upgrade etc...
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Humans are adaptable and versatile. Relying on any one unit won't work. Later in the game, get several Knights to to hold up the front line of huntresses, back them up with a mortar team and priests to heal. Also, blizzard is death to massed low health units. Oh, but I forgot! Blizzard is also considered an imbalance! Oh dear, oh dear.
No it's not. Imbalance in my book is something that can't be countered AND lends a very unfair advantage to the other team.
Knights are vulnerable to archers and cyclone. Never yet lost against a human 1 v 1 who built knights, mainly because unlike some huntress rushers I prefer to combine arms.
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Originally posted by Ex Nihilo:
No it's not. Imbalance in my book is something that can't be countered AND lends a very unfair advantage to the other team.
Knights are vulnerable to archers and cyclone. Never yet lost against a human 1 v 1 who built knights, mainly because unlike some huntress rushers I prefer to combine arms.
No it's not. Imbalance in my book is something that can't be countered AND lends a very unfair advantage to the other team.
Knights are vulnerable to archers and cyclone. Never yet lost against a human 1 v 1 who built knights, mainly because unlike some huntress rushers I prefer to combine arms.
But wait... we are talking about huntress massing. Are you saying they should also include other units in the mix?
Wait.... could we be talking.. tactics here? I offer a tactic. You just offered a counter. I'll use a different counter. Hmm....
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The problem with towers is that it just makes sure they will not attack your base. However while they're not doing that they are creeping, which gets them gold, items and experience while you have to hide behind your towers. They can also expand which gets them much more gold than you, and they can better afford to upgrade etc...
Sure. Of course, that means that you don't spend all you time hiding behind your towers, but build an attack force using your original gold mine.
And that's not a huntress 'rush' any more, that's simply using huntresses as your main unit, and nothing else. Sorry, but that's a great way to lose the game.
The huntress is a powerful unit, and can be used very effectively en masse. Like any very effective tactic, there are counters.
::sigh:: This reminds me of people telling me the zergling rush is unbeatable.
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If you think that I'm ranting on about huntresses as in the zergling rush, then you are not quite grasping my argument. What I'm saying is that in Warcraft 3, the means to express your intellect, however vast it is, is extremely limited. And since this seems to be subjective, then I'm not going to argue with you any more.
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If you think that I'm ranting on about huntresses as in the zergling rush, then you are not quite grasping my argument. What I'm saying is that in Warcraft 3, the means to express your intellect, however vast it is, is extremely limited. And since this seems to be subjective, then I'm not going to argue with you any more.
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Originally posted by Ex Nihilo:
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If you think that I'm ranting on about huntresses as in the zergling rush, then you are not quite grasping my argument. What I'm saying is that in Warcraft 3, the means to express your intellect, however vast it is, is extremely limited. And since this seems to be subjective, then I'm not going to argue with you any more.
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If you think that I'm ranting on about huntresses as in the zergling rush, then you are not quite grasping my argument. What I'm saying is that in Warcraft 3, the means to express your intellect, however vast it is, is extremely limited. And since this seems to be subjective, then I'm not going to argue with you any more.
I was indeed talking about the huntress rush. Since, again, in my observation, it's not an imbalance, but one of many tactics for a race. And it has a counter. If that's not what you were talking about.. then, indeed, I am not grasping the gist of your conversation.
I've yet to find a limit to the amount of different tactics I can employ, or anything that cannot be countered. I guess that's just because my intellect isn't capable enough to see all that much, though.
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[quote]Originally posted by Begemotike:
I guess that's just because my intellect isn't capable enough to see all that much, though.
Well my brother just left to get settled for school today. Making a little road trip with his girlfriend on the way. I miss my computer already. It's only been 12 hours. This is tougher than I thought. Maybe I'll start reading again, anywone suggest anything good?
To keep this relevent to the board:
Out of all the races, I love using NE...
Why? Because to the less skilled player it strikes fear into them and sometimes effects their game. I've noticed one game that an enemy was deterred from rushing when he saw one huntress. Phew. He would have handed me my butt because I was going straight for bears Moonwells are more feared than towers. And nobody knows what to dow when they see a sentinel. They're dumbfounded. So in conclusions, NE can really play up on an opponent's fears. UD is a very close runner up. The UD double hero aura is amazing.
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I guess that's just because my intellect isn't capable enough to see all that much, though.
Well my brother just left to get settled for school today. Making a little road trip with his girlfriend on the way. I miss my computer already. It's only been 12 hours. This is tougher than I thought. Maybe I'll start reading again, anywone suggest anything good?
To keep this relevent to the board:
Out of all the races, I love using NE...
Why? Because to the less skilled player it strikes fear into them and sometimes effects their game. I've noticed one game that an enemy was deterred from rushing when he saw one huntress. Phew. He would have handed me my butt because I was going straight for bears
Moonwells are more feared than towers. And nobody knows what to dow when they see a sentinel. They're dumbfounded. So in conclusions, NE can really play up on an opponent's fears. UD is a very close runner up. The UD double hero aura is amazing.------------------
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Originally posted by Begemotike:
I was indeed talking about the huntress rush. Since, again, in my observation, it's not an imbalance, but one of many tactics for a race. And it has a counter. If that's not what you were talking about.. then, indeed, I am not grasping the gist of your conversation.
I was indeed talking about the huntress rush. Since, again, in my observation, it's not an imbalance, but one of many tactics for a race. And it has a counter. If that's not what you were talking about.. then, indeed, I am not grasping the gist of your conversation.
Just to clarify things a bit, the huntress rush is different from the zergling rush because a) at the start, the obvious way to counter huntresses is to build a tower, which cuts off from your gold flow in doing other stuff and makes it more likely that the other player will win a battle outside of the tower area. Also the huntress masser, should you tower (we're assuming your human here) would leave your base alone and do other stuff to great disadvantage of you.
As I said arguing about this is silly because it's subjective, I'm too used to playing chess I suppose, and my demand on tactics is very high.
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Everything can be expressed in 2. 2+2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
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Originally posted by Ex Nihilo:
Just to clarify things a bit, the huntress rush is different from the zergling rush because a) at the start, the obvious way to counter huntresses is to build a tower, which cuts off from your gold flow in doing other stuff and makes it more likely that the other player will win a battle outside of the tower area. Also the huntress masser, should you tower (we're assuming your human here) would leave your base alone and do other stuff to great disadvantage of you.
As I said arguing about this is silly because it's subjective, I'm too used to playing chess I suppose, and my demand on tactics is very high.
Just to clarify things a bit, the huntress rush is different from the zergling rush because a) at the start, the obvious way to counter huntresses is to build a tower, which cuts off from your gold flow in doing other stuff and makes it more likely that the other player will win a battle outside of the tower area. Also the huntress masser, should you tower (we're assuming your human here) would leave your base alone and do other stuff to great disadvantage of you.
As I said arguing about this is silly because it's subjective, I'm too used to playing chess I suppose, and my demand on tactics is very high.
To clarify a bit further, the only reason I mentioned the zergling rush was because people also told me, in great numbers, that it was unbeatable. That's the only reason I remembered it, no other comparison was I making. Oh well.
Kuji, you could read the book I'm reading by Ayn Rand right now, so I know I'm not the only one having to suffer through it.
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Everything can be expressed in 2. 2+2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
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Everything can be expressed in 2. 2+2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
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